oatmeal
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None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him—For the redemption of their souls is costly, And it shall cease forever—That he should continue to live eternally, And not see the Pit. . . . But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, For He shall receive me. Selah - Psalm 49:7-9,15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm49:7-9,15&version=NKJV
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If Jesus is not God, and is instead just a created Being made for only one purpose, then His life is not valuable enough to pay for the life of even one man, let alone every man since creation.
Oatsy, what's the most valuable thing in existence? God, right? What is the price of sin? Eternal death, right?
Death is separation. When a man dies, his spirit is separated from his body, and either is transported to heaven or hell, and his body begins to decay. This is called physical death.
Spiritual death is when that man's spirit is separated from God.
God said in Genesis to Adam, the day you [sin] you shall surely die. And they did die, even though they lived for another 900 years or so. They were separated from God the very day that they sinned, cast out of the Garden.
No created being has existed for eternity past, like God has. He had infinite worth already at the moment He created, and if the next half of eternity is similar to the first half, He will have infinitely more worth.
Created beings have a beginning, so even though they will exist forever, and have infinite worth, they will never be as valuable as God.
So if the punishment for just one man's sin is an eternal punishment, and no man can ransom himself for another, and only God is of infinitely more worth than man, ergo only God is valuable enough to pay for man's sin, and not just one man's, but every man's sin, because He is FAR more than valuable enough to pay the debt owed.
Therefore, if Jesus is a created being, only a man, and even though He lived a perfect life, His sacrifice is not valuable enough to pay for anyone other than Himself.
That's true, no man can give what it takes to redeem another.
However, John 3:16 tells us who did the giving.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
It was God that did the giving, He gave His only begotten Son.
Jesus Christ willfully and humbly obeyed His father, which is what we all should be doing. Philippians 2:5-12
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Who did giving? God did.
Who humbly obeyed God?
a. God
b. the man Jesus Christ who is the son of God, not God himself
Did God give Himself a name or did God give His humble obedient son a name?
Who paid the price? God did? what was the price? the life of His son
Romans 5:
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Who did this?
One man, Jesus Christ
God did not die on our behalf for our sins, the son of God, one man, Jesus Christ died for us. He died so we could live. God is eternal, God cannot die
