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HS likes to engage in the Genetic Fallacy and attempt to slip it past TOL readers as though it's an actual argument. But we're just not falling for it. Nice try, though. :yawn:
Can a Roman Catholic be a Christian?
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I watched... Catholics have done, and continue to do many great things. (So do other churches and organizations) But, belonging to any certain denomination does not make anyone a follower of Jesus.
You try to justify the evils of your heirachy by boasting of the good works of your rank and file while living off their money, as you do nothing but play religion and keep the truth of the Gospel from the people.
The RCC is evil from which one must escape to enter the Kingdom of God, or be damned into hell with it.
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The below is a pretty unbiased document accounting the deaths that the RCC mandated and/or encouraged.
Its in the 10's of millions.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ZR_D8_uLIhP-GwtMA&sig2=TLm8MCtCIzmgKj9669G1aA
SaulToPaul 2
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Peter's church is Jesus' Satanic church. (absolutely no malice intended. This is simply, literal (not interpreted) revelations from the KJV N.T.)
Matthew: 16 King James Version (KJV)
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Jesus anchored a church under Peter/Satan. This is Jesus' Satanic church where 'the (spiritually) dead' are sent so that their spirits might be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
This church was established so the 'the dead' can be converted to spiritual awareness. To be converted is a precise KJV N.T. term.
To be converted describes the transformation of persons whose ears are dull of hearing, their eyes are shut and hearts are waxed gross to being one whose ears are full of hearing, their eyes are no longer shut and their hearts are not longer waxed gross. This is the saving of one's heart or spirit. This is to bring one into awareness of their own spirit and so actualize their spirit faculties. This is the mission that was given to Peter in his church.
1 Corinthians: 5 KJV N.T.
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
The question is did Peter & Co. stay within the terms of their appointment. Did they save the spirits of their charges or were they, the dead who buried their dead?
One is asked to walk with 'ears full of hearing', 'eyes wide open' and 'hearts that are not waxed gross' because Jesus did prophesied:
Matthew: 24 King James Version (KJV)
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Did Peter & Co. help their charges to be converted or did Peter & Co. deny their charges this conversion and so spiritually burred their charges?
The act of being converted is the act of saving one's spirit. This is achieved by the dead when they become spiritually aware.
This is achieved through meditation. Through spiritual/right brain actualization. Through seeking ye first the kingdom of heaven within:
Matthew: 6 King James Version (KJV)
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
The above is about seeking ye first the kingdom of God within one's own heart or spirit. This is about silent and devoted meditation.
One's spirit is saved through the above technique (i.e. meditation). This is to be saved. Then one can come onto Christ by searching one's (no longer waxed gross) heart/spirit to discern and be actively led by the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit. This latter accomplishment is to be delivered into God's kingdom of heaven:
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
The question is: did the church of Peter & Co. guide their followers to seek ye first the kingdom of heaven within? Or did Peter & Co. chooses instead to play Jesus and/or God.
Matthew: 18 KJV N.T.
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
To save the spirit of some one means to convert one from having a heart/spirit that is waxed gross to having a heart or spirit that is not waxed gross. Clearly this is the mission given to the church of Peter/Satan:
1 Corinthians: 5 KJV N.T.
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Matthew: 16 King James Version (KJV)
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Jesus anchored a church under Peter/Satan. This is Jesus' Satanic church where 'the (spiritually) dead' are sent so that their spirits might be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
This church was established so the 'the dead' can be converted to spiritual awareness. To be converted is a precise KJV N.T. term.
To be converted describes the transformation of persons whose ears are dull of hearing, their eyes are shut and hearts are waxed gross to being one whose ears are full of hearing, their eyes are no longer shut and their hearts are not longer waxed gross. This is the saving of one's heart or spirit. This is to bring one into awareness of their own spirit and so actualize their spirit faculties. This is the mission that was given to Peter in his church.
1 Corinthians: 5 KJV N.T.
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
The question is did Peter & Co. stay within the terms of their appointment. Did they save the spirits of their charges or were they, the dead who buried their dead?
One is asked to walk with 'ears full of hearing', 'eyes wide open' and 'hearts that are not waxed gross' because Jesus did prophesied:
Matthew: 24 King James Version (KJV)
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Did Peter & Co. help their charges to be converted or did Peter & Co. deny their charges this conversion and so spiritually burred their charges?
The act of being converted is the act of saving one's spirit. This is achieved by the dead when they become spiritually aware.
This is achieved through meditation. Through spiritual/right brain actualization. Through seeking ye first the kingdom of heaven within:
Matthew: 6 King James Version (KJV)
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
The above is about seeking ye first the kingdom of God within one's own heart or spirit. This is about silent and devoted meditation.
One's spirit is saved through the above technique (i.e. meditation). This is to be saved. Then one can come onto Christ by searching one's (no longer waxed gross) heart/spirit to discern and be actively led by the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit. This latter accomplishment is to be delivered into God's kingdom of heaven:
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
The question is: did the church of Peter & Co. guide their followers to seek ye first the kingdom of heaven within? Or did Peter & Co. chooses instead to play Jesus and/or God.
Matthew: 18 KJV N.T.
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
To save the spirit of some one means to convert one from having a heart/spirit that is waxed gross to having a heart or spirit that is not waxed gross. Clearly this is the mission given to the church of Peter/Satan:
1 Corinthians: 5 KJV N.T.
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
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Seems that Peter & Co. hid with the 'sheep' and hunt with 'the hounds'.
Seems that if you all continue to let Peter & Co. pull the wool over your eyes and ears and hearts, you guys will go down with them.
Awaken to the fact that a Spiritual Age (the age of spirit and the Spirit of Jesus) has dawned on earth. This conforms to the the commission of Paul. The relevance of Peter & Co., on earth, is done away with.
Now only those who are converted and are also in Christ, are relevant on earth. 'To be converted' is a first, authentic Christian requirement, which is clearly define in the KJV N.T. Only those who are converted and then come onto Christ, can stay and survive on the surface of earth. This refers to the those who seek to come to God through the O.T. and the N.T.
Seems that Peter & Co. were the dead who bury their dead. This was not their (Jesus given) mission. This is their failing. Their mission was to save the spirit of those who came to them and then humbly pass their graduates onto Paul's 'not seen', spirit and Spirit based, Christian commission.
Of course Jesus did not hold out much hope for Peter & Co. Jesus prophesied:
Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
'The dead' are not chosen. 'The dead' means 'spiritually dead'. Only those who follow Jesus are chosen. A dead person is one who is in the flesh. Such a person savorest the things of man and not the things of God. Such a person is also called Satan. This makes Peter the chief dead. . . . with disdain Jesus instructed: 'let the dead bury their dead':
Matthew: 8 King James Version (KJV)
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Clearly Jesus knew that Peter & Co. will not save the spirits of the dead but instead be the ones who will (spiritually) bury the dead.
The church of Peter & Co. quickly became and remained a place where 'the dead bury their dead', instead of a place where the spirits of the dead were saved, i.e instead of a place where the dead became spiritually aware.
Fact is, driven by ego, the desires for power and false pride, Peter and Co. denied their simple Jesus given mission and self appointed themselves 'vicar of Christ'. They totally lacked the actualization to be 'vicar of Christ'. Only Paul has the spiritual actualization to be vicar of Christ.
And it seems that Peter & Co. will continue to attempt deception to continue to hold their false position. Fact is their time is ended.
Physically spoken and physically written words (and physical force/physical weaponry) is all they have. They have no spiritual tools. Now physical spoken and physically written words (including mass communication), will not work. Nor will weaponry work.
The world has simply changed. And the people in the world have changed.
Recently, President President Barack Obama observed and noted the failing of his once eloquently spoken words. He also admitted the short coming of his spoken words, over the recent past. He was, at the time, once again, seeking to deliver spiritual information and spiritual guidance through very eloquently physically spoken words.
The above occurred at the recent interfaith memorial service for five Dallas, Texas police officers killed in an ambush at a march against police brutality.
The world is in serious crisis. From now and onward-wards, eloquently physically spoken and written words will not work (as before) to bring forth desired results.
Now increasing numbers of people are driven to action by spiritual knowing which is well beyond the reach of physically spoken and physically written words or even the fear/treat of death. Discord and protests on earth will only intensify and increase.
This is why, especially with respect to rebelling people, eloquent physically spoken words will not bring forth results, as it did up to the recent past.
Leader who posses New Tools (genuine spiritual gifts) are required.
Seems that if you all continue to let Peter & Co. pull the wool over your eyes and ears and hearts, you guys will go down with them.
Awaken to the fact that a Spiritual Age (the age of spirit and the Spirit of Jesus) has dawned on earth. This conforms to the the commission of Paul. The relevance of Peter & Co., on earth, is done away with.
Now only those who are converted and are also in Christ, are relevant on earth. 'To be converted' is a first, authentic Christian requirement, which is clearly define in the KJV N.T. Only those who are converted and then come onto Christ, can stay and survive on the surface of earth. This refers to the those who seek to come to God through the O.T. and the N.T.
Seems that Peter & Co. were the dead who bury their dead. This was not their (Jesus given) mission. This is their failing. Their mission was to save the spirit of those who came to them and then humbly pass their graduates onto Paul's 'not seen', spirit and Spirit based, Christian commission.
Of course Jesus did not hold out much hope for Peter & Co. Jesus prophesied:
Matthew: 22 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
'The dead' are not chosen. 'The dead' means 'spiritually dead'. Only those who follow Jesus are chosen. A dead person is one who is in the flesh. Such a person savorest the things of man and not the things of God. Such a person is also called Satan. This makes Peter the chief dead. . . . with disdain Jesus instructed: 'let the dead bury their dead':
Matthew: 8 King James Version (KJV)
22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Clearly Jesus knew that Peter & Co. will not save the spirits of the dead but instead be the ones who will (spiritually) bury the dead.
The church of Peter & Co. quickly became and remained a place where 'the dead bury their dead', instead of a place where the spirits of the dead were saved, i.e instead of a place where the dead became spiritually aware.
Fact is, driven by ego, the desires for power and false pride, Peter and Co. denied their simple Jesus given mission and self appointed themselves 'vicar of Christ'. They totally lacked the actualization to be 'vicar of Christ'. Only Paul has the spiritual actualization to be vicar of Christ.
And it seems that Peter & Co. will continue to attempt deception to continue to hold their false position. Fact is their time is ended.
Physically spoken and physically written words (and physical force/physical weaponry) is all they have. They have no spiritual tools. Now physical spoken and physically written words (including mass communication), will not work. Nor will weaponry work.
The world has simply changed. And the people in the world have changed.
Recently, President President Barack Obama observed and noted the failing of his once eloquently spoken words. He also admitted the short coming of his spoken words, over the recent past. He was, at the time, once again, seeking to deliver spiritual information and spiritual guidance through very eloquently physically spoken words.
The above occurred at the recent interfaith memorial service for five Dallas, Texas police officers killed in an ambush at a march against police brutality.
The world is in serious crisis. From now and onward-wards, eloquently physically spoken and written words will not work (as before) to bring forth desired results.
Now increasing numbers of people are driven to action by spiritual knowing which is well beyond the reach of physically spoken and physically written words or even the fear/treat of death. Discord and protests on earth will only intensify and increase.
This is why, especially with respect to rebelling people, eloquent physically spoken words will not bring forth results, as it did up to the recent past.
Leader who posses New Tools (genuine spiritual gifts) are required.
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Do you realize that if one is not first converted and then achieve live individual communion with the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love through one's own heart/spirit, one cannot know or believe from one's heart that Jesus rose from the dead:
Romans: 10 KJV N.T.
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
The billion strong traditional Christians who parrot the above revelation do not seem to realize that one cannot believe anything in one's heart if one is not converted. 'To be converted' is a very precise passage or transformation that is clearly mentioned in the KJV N.T.
Being converted is directly linked to the instruction: seek ye first the kingdom of God within then all things will be added;
Matthew: 6 King James Version (KJV)
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
The above is seeking through a heart or spirit that is not 'waxed gross'.
One must be converted first before one can believe anything in one's heart. Traditional Christians do not know that they have to be converted, before they even seek Jesus.
Matthew: 18 KJV N.T.
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Notice that one must be converted first, then Jesus can heal one.
To be converted is to cease having a waxed gross (covered over) heart or spirit. This is to enable one to function through one's heart/spirit.
Then one can look to things that are not seen' and temporal. This enables one to believe things from one's heart. This also enables one to discern things in one's heart/spirit.
This enables one to search one's own heart to discern the Spirit of Jesus, within one's own heart or spirit. This is how one knows that Jesus rose to spirit heaven. Then, when on is led into all of one's works by precisely what this Spirit has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, one is healed/saved and delivered, by Jesus.
However before one can even believe anything from one's heart one must be awaken to/aware of, one's heart . . . one must be converted. Peter was not converted.
Jesus turned to Peter and said, Satan get thee behind me because Peter savorest the things of man and not the things of God. One who savorest the things of man is a person in the flesh. A natural man. He/she is not spiritually aware. Such a person's heart is waxed gross. Such a person's ears are dull of hearing, and his/her eyes he/she has closed.
Peter was in need of being converted. This is what identified him to be Satan. In that state Peter could not look to things of God. Things of God are not seen and temporal, (like the 'not seen' and eternal Spirit of Jesus).
Of course we all know that Paul was converted (he could discern spiritual things). And not only did Paul look to things that are 'not seen' and eternal, Paul had live communion with the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus. He was spiritually functional.
Up to the very last, Peter and those others, needed physical signs to know that Jesus rose to spirit heaven. They were not converted. Therefore they were not spiritually functional. They needed physical signs for events that were purely spiritually. This is why Jesus had to show himself physically rising to a cloud beyond their sight.
Fact is, Jesus rose to spirit heaven clad only in His 'not seen' and eternal, spiritual body. Even up to that point, Peter continue to savorest the things of man. He remained a child of the flesh. He was not converted and this prevented him from discerning the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus (as Paul did, on the road to Damascus).
Of course Peter came away telling every one that Jesus rose to heaven is a physical body. And he is seated on the right side of God in a physical body. Fact is all that Peter saw was: Jesus, rising in a physical body, to a cloud beyond his sight. However Paul knew the truth:
1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Romans: 10 KJV N.T.
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
The billion strong traditional Christians who parrot the above revelation do not seem to realize that one cannot believe anything in one's heart if one is not converted. 'To be converted' is a very precise passage or transformation that is clearly mentioned in the KJV N.T.
Being converted is directly linked to the instruction: seek ye first the kingdom of God within then all things will be added;
Matthew: 6 King James Version (KJV)
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
The above is seeking through a heart or spirit that is not 'waxed gross'.
One must be converted first before one can believe anything in one's heart. Traditional Christians do not know that they have to be converted, before they even seek Jesus.
Matthew: 18 KJV N.T.
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Notice that one must be converted first, then Jesus can heal one.
To be converted is to cease having a waxed gross (covered over) heart or spirit. This is to enable one to function through one's heart/spirit.
Then one can look to things that are not seen' and temporal. This enables one to believe things from one's heart. This also enables one to discern things in one's heart/spirit.
This enables one to search one's own heart to discern the Spirit of Jesus, within one's own heart or spirit. This is how one knows that Jesus rose to spirit heaven. Then, when on is led into all of one's works by precisely what this Spirit has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, one is healed/saved and delivered, by Jesus.
However before one can even believe anything from one's heart one must be awaken to/aware of, one's heart . . . one must be converted. Peter was not converted.
Jesus turned to Peter and said, Satan get thee behind me because Peter savorest the things of man and not the things of God. One who savorest the things of man is a person in the flesh. A natural man. He/she is not spiritually aware. Such a person's heart is waxed gross. Such a person's ears are dull of hearing, and his/her eyes he/she has closed.
Peter was in need of being converted. This is what identified him to be Satan. In that state Peter could not look to things of God. Things of God are not seen and temporal, (like the 'not seen' and eternal Spirit of Jesus).
Of course we all know that Paul was converted (he could discern spiritual things). And not only did Paul look to things that are 'not seen' and eternal, Paul had live communion with the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus. He was spiritually functional.
Up to the very last, Peter and those others, needed physical signs to know that Jesus rose to spirit heaven. They were not converted. Therefore they were not spiritually functional. They needed physical signs for events that were purely spiritually. This is why Jesus had to show himself physically rising to a cloud beyond their sight.
Fact is, Jesus rose to spirit heaven clad only in His 'not seen' and eternal, spiritual body. Even up to that point, Peter continue to savorest the things of man. He remained a child of the flesh. He was not converted and this prevented him from discerning the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus (as Paul did, on the road to Damascus).
Of course Peter came away telling every one that Jesus rose to heaven is a physical body. And he is seated on the right side of God in a physical body. Fact is all that Peter saw was: Jesus, rising in a physical body, to a cloud beyond his sight. However Paul knew the truth:
1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
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Now only those who are converted and are also in Christ, are relevant on earth.
'To be converted' is a first, authentic Christian requirement, which is clearly define in the KJV N.T. This is simply a starting point. This is an entry requirement for embracing Christianity which occurs through the Spirit of Jesus.
Only those who are converted and then come onto Christ, can stay and survive on the surface of earth.
This refers to the those who seek to come onto God through the O.T. and the N.T.
One must have graduated from Peter's church and/or any other O.T. tradition and then embraced Paul tradition (the N.T. tradition) in order to be relevant on earth at this time.
'To be converted' is a first, authentic Christian requirement, which is clearly define in the KJV N.T. This is simply a starting point. This is an entry requirement for embracing Christianity which occurs through the Spirit of Jesus.
Only those who are converted and then come onto Christ, can stay and survive on the surface of earth.
This refers to the those who seek to come onto God through the O.T. and the N.T.
One must have graduated from Peter's church and/or any other O.T. tradition and then embraced Paul tradition (the N.T. tradition) in order to be relevant on earth at this time.
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HisServant
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If you were an honest person, you would have not made that response. The Inquisition only accounts for a small minority of the lives taken in the name of the RCC. The document I linked clearly states that.
But then we know, you are not now, nor have you ever been an honest individual. I think I will refer to you as 'Screwtape' from now on... it fits perfectly!
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Fact is Peter & Co. did not and do not believe in things 'not seen'. They continue to esteem, only, the things of man and not the things of God.
They continue to look, only, to things that are 'seen' and temporal. These are the things of man.
They never looked to things that are 'not seen' and eternal. These are the things of God.
John: 4 King James Version (KJV)
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
1 John: 4 King James Version (KJV)
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2 Corinthians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
John: 16 King James Version (KJV)
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Matthew: 6 King James Version (KJV)
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
2000 odd years ago the world started it assent into spirit and Peter & Co missed the call. Now the Spirit Age is fully formed on the surface of earth. All opportunities for the dead to be converted to spiritual awareness has passed.
Peter & Co. and their charges will only now awaken to things that are 'not seen' and the power of things that are 'not seen', however . . . to late will be their cry.
The sad fact is that Peter & Co. banked all their treasures on earth and none in heaven. (Only those who can and do look to things that are 'not seen' and eternal can have and bank treasures in heaven.)
1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Notice that Peter who savorest the things of man and not the thing of God was appointed to his church by the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man, Jesus (the earthly Jesus who is not lord) and not the Spirit 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus (the Spirit/heaven Jesus who is Lord).
However, on the other hand, Paul who savorest the thing of God and not the things of man was appointed to his church by the Spirit 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus (the Spirit/heaven Jesus who is Lord) and not by the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man, Jesus (the earthly Jesus who is not lord).
Wake up and get Jesus' message in:
Matthew: 16 KJV N.T.
23 But he turned, and said onto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan, thou art an offence onto me: for thou sauourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
They continue to look, only, to things that are 'seen' and temporal. These are the things of man.
They never looked to things that are 'not seen' and eternal. These are the things of God.
John: 4 King James Version (KJV)
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
1 John: 4 King James Version (KJV)
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2 Corinthians: 4 King James Version (KJV)
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
John: 16 King James Version (KJV)
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Matthew: 6 King James Version (KJV)
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
2000 odd years ago the world started it assent into spirit and Peter & Co missed the call. Now the Spirit Age is fully formed on the surface of earth. All opportunities for the dead to be converted to spiritual awareness has passed.
Peter & Co. and their charges will only now awaken to things that are 'not seen' and the power of things that are 'not seen', however . . . to late will be their cry.
The sad fact is that Peter & Co. banked all their treasures on earth and none in heaven. (Only those who can and do look to things that are 'not seen' and eternal can have and bank treasures in heaven.)
1 Corinthians: 15 KJV N.T.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Notice that Peter who savorest the things of man and not the thing of God was appointed to his church by the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man, Jesus (the earthly Jesus who is not lord) and not the Spirit 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus (the Spirit/heaven Jesus who is Lord).
However, on the other hand, Paul who savorest the thing of God and not the things of man was appointed to his church by the Spirit 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus (the Spirit/heaven Jesus who is Lord) and not by the physical, 'seen' and temporal, son of man, Jesus (the earthly Jesus who is not lord).
Wake up and get Jesus' message in:
Matthew: 16 KJV N.T.
23 But he turned, and said onto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan, thou art an offence onto me: for thou sauourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
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Cruciform
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The document that I linked plainly demonstrates the wildly inflated numbers that anti-Catholic apologists tend to try and pass off as "historically factual." Don't bother.
Also, don't forget to post the numbers of Catholics executed and murdered by Protestants during the Middle Ages as well. [HERE][HERE][HERE]
HERE is a list of the Catholic martyrs murdered by Protestants just during the English Rebellion of Henry VIII.
Small weight coming from a known public liar like yourself (Ex. 20:16; Prov. 19:5). Google "ad hominem fallacy," since that is the logical error you're engaged in here. :yawn:
Well that's the thing about religious tyrants, Cruciform. You can orchestrate an uprising, call them heretics, and sentence them to death but you can't just go up and light them on fire.
They learned from the best :idunno:
Cruciform
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Nonsense. Heresy was considered a capital crime against the state during the Middle Ages, and it was the state who generally executed those relative few who were incorrigibly heretical in their public teaching. You know nothing about ecclesiastical history.
Back to Post #114.
-The Reformation was during the Late Ages
-The Roman Church instituted the feudal class system, with the Pope being the king of kings
think. If the Catholic Church didn't say anything, they by extension allowed it. The RCC loves to escape blame, and attempts to weasel their way out of the insane things they did through history. Like trying to 'deliver the Kingdom' and then putting warrants on everyone who participated wen they failed.
They threw anyone under the bus, and killed perceived heretics- watering it down when they were called out over five hundred years ago, without denial mind you, is redundant.
You can thank those zealous priests who declared things like it being better to fear the Pope than God.
Pretty damning statements, from a pretty damned church.
Cruciform
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A brief collection of wholly unsubstatiated assertions by Crucible. No refutation required on my part.-The Reformation was during the Late Ages. The Roman Church instituted the feudal class system, with the Pope being the king of kings
-The Reformation was during the Late Ages
-The Roman Church instituted the feudal class system, with the Pope being the king of kings
The RCC loves to escape blame, and attempts to weasel their way out of the insane things they did through history. Like trying to 'deliver the Kingdom' and then putting warrants on everyone who participated wen they failed.
They threw anyone under the bus, and killed perceived heretics- watering it down when they were called out over five hundred years ago, without denial mind you, is redundant.
You can thank those zealous priests who declared things like it being better to fear the Pope than God.
Pretty damning statements, from a pretty damned church.
Gobbldeygook.
beameup
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Understanding current world events:
Understanding current world events:
There are three ways that are expressed on earth. They are:
1. The ways of the dead'. These people are available for management/ruled under generalized fixed ideals and laws (like the ten commandments and a one world government and/or one world religion). Catholics are in this category.
2. The ways of the converted. These are the spiritually aware bot not yet adopted as children of God. These people can be led by either hate or love. Both hate and love arise and are sustained within our hearts/spirits. These people cannot be managed and ruled under generalized fixed ideals and laws (like the ten commandments and a one world government and/or one world religion). However the majority of this kind of people will be driven by their heart/spirit to do hateful things. They cannot be managed by the old guard and old approaches.
3. They ways of the converted who have also been healed by Jesus. These are spiritually aware people who are 'in Christ'. These people are led by only love. These people need no physical leaders or rulers. They guide perfectly by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus. These are the Christian. They are the chosen few from among the billions who seek God through the ideas in the O.T. and N.T.
Through predictable and cyclical realignment of the heavenly bodies, the surface of earth has transformed to more grace/consciousness. This has brough a New Age to the surface of earth . . . a Spiritual Age.
When the world transforms to a spiritual Age, masses of 'the dead' become naturally ans spontaneously converted (i.e. spiritually aware). Tons of # 1 people become # 2 people. This means that tons of people who were previously not led by their hearts/spirits suddenly becomes led by their hearts/spirit. However these people's heart/spirits can be both hateful and loving. These are newly spiritually aware people.
Currently those newly spiritually aware people with hateful heart/spirit are running havoc on earth. They are driven by their heart/spirit. This means that they are far more powerfully committed and far more powerfully driven that 'the dead'. The current leaders and current systems of the world were adequate to guide and manage 'the dead'. These are totally in adequate for managing these newly converted people on earth.
A new guard (of Spiritually actualized/Gifted humans) must and will rise to guide and rule the world under the 'not seen' empowerment and guidance of the Spirit, not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus . . . but not before some serious destruction and displacement ravishes the surface of earth, among unprepared masses of people.
Understanding current world events:
There are three ways that are expressed on earth. They are:
1. The ways of the dead'. These people are available for management/ruled under generalized fixed ideals and laws (like the ten commandments and a one world government and/or one world religion). Catholics are in this category.
2. The ways of the converted. These are the spiritually aware bot not yet adopted as children of God. These people can be led by either hate or love. Both hate and love arise and are sustained within our hearts/spirits. These people cannot be managed and ruled under generalized fixed ideals and laws (like the ten commandments and a one world government and/or one world religion). However the majority of this kind of people will be driven by their heart/spirit to do hateful things. They cannot be managed by the old guard and old approaches.
3. They ways of the converted who have also been healed by Jesus. These are spiritually aware people who are 'in Christ'. These people are led by only love. These people need no physical leaders or rulers. They guide perfectly by the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus. These are the Christian. They are the chosen few from among the billions who seek God through the ideas in the O.T. and N.T.
Through predictable and cyclical realignment of the heavenly bodies, the surface of earth has transformed to more grace/consciousness. This has brough a New Age to the surface of earth . . . a Spiritual Age.
When the world transforms to a spiritual Age, masses of 'the dead' become naturally ans spontaneously converted (i.e. spiritually aware). Tons of # 1 people become # 2 people. This means that tons of people who were previously not led by their hearts/spirits suddenly becomes led by their hearts/spirit. However these people's heart/spirits can be both hateful and loving. These are newly spiritually aware people.
Currently those newly spiritually aware people with hateful heart/spirit are running havoc on earth. They are driven by their heart/spirit. This means that they are far more powerfully committed and far more powerfully driven that 'the dead'. The current leaders and current systems of the world were adequate to guide and manage 'the dead'. These are totally in adequate for managing these newly converted people on earth.
A new guard (of Spiritually actualized/Gifted humans) must and will rise to guide and rule the world under the 'not seen' empowerment and guidance of the Spirit, not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus . . . but not before some serious destruction and displacement ravishes the surface of earth, among unprepared masses of people.