Calvinism: Satan's Attempt to Pervert the "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ

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clefty

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beloved57 said:
Yeah, Yeah , Yeah
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LoL...

Whence the root of this error?

CCC 1272 Incorporated into Christ by Baptism, the person baptized is configured to Christ. Baptism seals the Christian with the indelible spiritual mark (character) of his belonging to Christ. No sin can erase this mark, even if sin prevents Baptism from bearing the fruits of salvation. Given once for all, Baptism cannot be repeated.

Once saved always saved...

Some reformation...sadly stillborn in many ways I say...
 
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clefty

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jamie said:
Well, there is the gospel about Jesus, but that is not the gospel of Jesus.

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"The gospel of" is:

"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

Notice a couple things...condemnation comes from unbelief not from being unbaptized.

Notice too that any who believes and is baptized will be saved NOT already was saved or was predestined to it...nor were they already doomed to unbelief by some prior divine will...as if they were not meant to...

Hence this gospel was to go to ALL nations and NOT just to the elect, pre selected, or chosen predestined...

Blood Israel was exactly predestined...and look what happened...and only by His death could He release that covenant He made with Abraham which predestined it...

I think He had enough with sealed fate arranged marriages...and He is searching now for another bride with free will love...which wishes to do His will His Way...

Ironic Jews still claim chosen status and Christians ascribe to it...
 
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clefty said:
Blood Israel was exactly predestined...and look what happened...and only by His death could He release that covenant He made with Abraham which predestined it...
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Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.
 
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clefty

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jamie said:
Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.
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Lol...and what?

That law given at Sinai (as part of another covenant) certainly did not annul the previous covenant...but His death did...

He was a signatory of both of those covenants...Abraham's and Moses' and now under the new covenant by another name...

What Christians fail to grasp (or want to ignore)is obedience to unchanging law remains the terms of all these covenants...obedience to Him His ways...unchanging ways btw...
 
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Robert Pate

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jamie said:
Right, the covenant with Abraham is still in effect.
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The Covenant, the law and the Jewish religion have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15.

No one is required to live according to laws, covenants or religion. This is why Paul said, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17.
 
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Robert Pate said:
The Covenant, the law and the Jewish religion have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15.
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Well of course they have, they have disappeared just like the earth and its atmosphere have disappeared.

Wasn't the disappearance of the earth covered on CNN?
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
The Covenant, the law and the Jewish religion have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15.

No one is required to live according to laws, covenants or religion. This is why Paul said, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17.
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But you teach that people are Justified by their own freewill, which is works religion. God condemned that.
 
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Robert Pate

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beloved57 said:
But you teach that people are Justified by their own freewill, which is works religion. God condemned that.
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Justification by faith is free will.

Paul said, "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" Romans 5:1.

If you don't have faith in Christ and his Gospel you will never see heaven.
 
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beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
Justification by faith is free will.

Paul said, "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" Romans 5:1.

If you don't have faith in Christ and his Gospel you will never see heaven.
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You still worship your freewill !
 
Nanja

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Robert Pate said:
The Bible plainly teaches that people have a free will.
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No it doesn't!

Scripture plainly teaches that it is only God's Will which is Free and Sovereign
and controls and determines all others' will!

The inhabitants of the earth are reputed as NOTHING!


Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing:
and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven,
and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
 
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Robert Pate

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beloved57 said:
If you want to know the truth, I believe you are, all liars and blasphemers are.
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So, you think that you and Nanja are the only ones that are saved. What if its the other way around?

The Pharisees also believed that they were the only saved ones. To see what Jesus thought of them read Matthew the 23rd chapter.
 
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beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
So, you think that you and Nanja are the only ones that are saved. What if its the other way around?

The Pharisees also believed that they were the only saved ones. To see what Jesus thought of them read Matthew the 23rd chapter.
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I believe you teach that Christ's death failed to save them He died for !
 
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