I prefer carrots over broccoli - both remain a vegetable.
Battle Royale XIV discussion thread
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I prefer carrots over broccoli - both remain a vegetable.
drbrumley
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What does this verse mean to you?
Why didn't you quote your inerrant KJV?
Just kidding.
It was probably just a printer error.
George Affleck
TOL Subscriber
This is where the Received Text comes in. The MSS that were available at the time English coalesced into a world language ready to take the truth to the nations of the world, were, and are still, deemed by KJV proponents to be the ones God provided for the purpose. These texts were considered to be the only ones "received" for the purpose of translation into modern English when it emerged.
This was long before Vaticanus and Sinaiticus were discovered. These witnesses are corrupt and God did not want them to have an influence in the translation of the English Bible. Subsequent versions give these texts preference over the Received text.
(Note: Vaticanus existed but was shut up in the Vatican and could not be viewed by protestants. Another blessing!)
Accuracy is tested against the Received, God-provided texts.
based on whose authority?
the church had the authority to give us the bible
how did king james get the authority to translate it?
The Berean
Well-known member
Blasphemer! :sozo2:
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Brother Vinny
Active member
Then the Received texts must also be God's inerrant words (something WK has denied).
George Affleck
TOL Subscriber
King James did not translate it. As the King of England he commissioned its production in modern English for his English subjects.
so why do you call it the king james version?
Will Kinney, you asked Bob and I for mistakes in the King James Version. Our latest post contains some incorrect English translations from the Hebrew and Greek that are found in the KJV. Thanks.
P.S. We have no desire to put down the King James Bible. We are pointing out these mistakes solely to refute the extreme position of the KJO movement, not to claim that the King James Bible is a poor translation. You can quote me on this, the King James translation is the best English translation we have.
P.S. We have no desire to put down the King James Bible. We are pointing out these mistakes solely to refute the extreme position of the KJO movement, not to claim that the King James Bible is a poor translation. You can quote me on this, the King James translation is the best English translation we have.
brandplucked
New member
The King James Bible is the complete and inerrant words of God.
The King James Bible is the complete and inerrant words of God.
Hi Will Duffy. Thanks for getting back to me on this. I will take a look at them and try to respond accordingly. God bless.
The King James Bible is the complete and inerrant words of God.
Hi Will Duffy. Thanks for getting back to me on this. I will take a look at them and try to respond accordingly. God bless.
George Affleck
TOL Subscriber
I think you have misunderstood Mr. Kinney's position here somewhat. If these copies of the originals did not exist, then the Bible could never have been produced. But, on their own, they were not a "Bible".
The received text is a compilation made from a group of copies of more than 5000 MSS and fragments which were not complete or compiled so it was impossible to point to a complete, cover to cover, Bible. Some of these MSS included minor variants that needed to be reconciled. This is the extent to which they cannot be considered complete or inerrant on their own but they are the basis for the KJV to the exclusion of MSS made available since then.
What Mr. Kinney has pointed out, and most cannot understand, is the can of worms that gets opened when we declare the original autographs were inspired and inerrant. For one thing, according to this belief, what is the smallest amount of scripture that can be considered inspired? A book, chapter, verse, phrase, word or letter? And where would we go to find the answer to this question?
For another thing, we are declaring intellectual suicide to say that only that which has been deposited in languages we do not understand are inspired by God. This means 'access denied' to the perfection God declares for His Word. It also means that the Jews are denied access to New Testament perfection. And by the way, don't bother learning those languages because the originals don't exist anyway.
George Affleck
TOL Subscriber
Because he commissioned it.
George Affleck
TOL Subscriber
Why does the Berean's avatar look like AMR?
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That's a ridiculous load of tosh.
The TR was published as a single work. That's why it was called the TR at all! On its own, it was indeed a Bible.
Of course it was not correct. It was riddled with errors. But that is beside the point. Your contention that a single Bible did not exist is really quite an embarassing mistake. Advice: don't try to dig yourself a bigger hole.
From the latest by BE:
And you'd have thought that for someone who places so much importance on having the exact inerrant Bible, he would have been able to point to the precise version straightaway. He actually prefers to remain vague about it so as not to have to confront the issue.
Top marks to BE/WD again.
Although I felt the insistence on 'murder' being correct and 'kill' being incorrect was quite weak. I explained this in an earlier post. It has nothing to with admitting anything about abortion. That is a red herring.
I have asked WK pretty much this question a couple of times in the grandstands and I haven't got an answer. Like BE/WD, I tried to piece from research what version it was that WK claimed was the perfect inerrant one and it indicated the Cambridge 1769. Which is what I suspected at a much earlier point in the debate. But asked WK to confirm this and that it is without error, no answer was the loud reply.
And you'd have thought that for someone who places so much importance on having the exact inerrant Bible, he would have been able to point to the precise version straightaway. He actually prefers to remain vague about it so as not to have to confront the issue.
Top marks to BE/WD again.
Although I felt the insistence on 'murder' being correct and 'kill' being incorrect was quite weak. I explained this in an earlier post. It has nothing to with admitting anything about abortion. That is a red herring.
heir
TOL Subscriber
Yep! God will have all men to be saved, AND to come unto the knowledge of the truth (1 Timothy 2:4 KJV). That cannot happen when words, verses, the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, the blood, our pattern and doctrine to the church are changed or missing.
KJVO !!!!!!!!