nikolai_42
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With that I fully agree. But you weren’t saved to then trust in your own works
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you might have life through His name.
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With that I fully agree. But you weren’t saved to then trust in your own works
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nikolai_42
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I don’t believe in OSAS because I believe it trivializes salvation. Being born again is a watershed moment in an objective way - not just a personal renewal. That is why I think the whole OSAS approach has been problematic for the church of the last 150 years. What I believe is that many who say they are converted are not truly, fully converted because salvation is treated as some momentary decision and no roots are really formed. The one who truly comes to the Lord should be truly and fully broken over the depths of his sin and the extent to which he is stained or else he will go back to trusting in his own ways (innocuous though that may seem- externally) and will be again enticed to return to that life of indulgence.
But if a man truly comes to God with nothing but brokenness and in repentance, there will be little that can lure him back in to sin. A saved man may forget what he was saved from but will persevere, ultimately, in Christ. A man who is totally changed from the inside out will not follow the voice of another.
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nikolai_42
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Allow me to add a thought here. Sin is going to be in the life of a believer. What won’t be is stiff-necked, persistent unrepentance. We are told to pray both for forgiveness AND to be delivered from evil. The evil that sin results in. And it is suffering that brings about this conformity. If we were already as we should be there would be no suffering. This, we are to trust in God and not ourself for we would (naturally) avoid that which God would do. But He does what He does because of what is in man.
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You are right, it can be both. So your reasoning is actually helping my claim.
you cannot sure whatsoever because it can be both.
Derf
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Not in the context of the verse. Unless you are trying to put your own meaning into the verse. You wouldn't be trying to do that, would you, meshak?
Nope, no one can trusting your own works including "saved" Christians.
It is up to Jesus whether our works are in Him.
You are still repeating the same reasoning which already refuted.
Jesus is the Lord, not anyone else.
Nope, you are dismissing so many contextual verses that marhig quoted.
Derf
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I was responding to your post, not marhig's.
As I told you before, I just think you were trying to start an argument.
God's Truth
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What don't you get that it is not 'my' works or 'our' works? It is God's works.
And, you miss a lot of Scripture by rejecting ALL of the Apostle Pauls' writings. Perhaps you ought to call it a DRAW, in that case?
It's a shame that your ignorance, combined with your stubbornness keeps you far away from the truth of the Gospel.
Meshak doesn't even believe all of the Bible. She only trusts in the first four books of the Bible. (Matthew through John) Perhaps, that will help you understand where she's coming from?
glorydaz
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Ah, "remain in his goodness". :think:
Then you're boasting of remaining in His goodness, aren't you?
Titus 3:5KJV Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Man is ever one to boast.....but boasting is excluded by the law of Faith. Romans 3:27KJV
I believe I understand salvation much better than many of you
Many of you dont understand "might" mean.
and it is English.
marhig understands this simple English and she is an English christian.
I believe you THINK you understand salvation. The problem is since you reject Paul and his Gospel, you're NOT a member of the 'Body of Christ', therefore, you don't have the Holy Spirit dwelling within you. If you were to pass from this world today, you'd be in Hades (Hell) and at the required moment in time, you'd stand before God the Father, be judged by your works and cast into the 'Lake of Fire' for eternity. There's still time for you to hear the Gospel and place all your faith in Christ alone and not yourself.
glorydaz
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Save your lectures for those who are ignorant of God's Grace.
It is no big newsflash that there are many who claim to be Christians when they aren't.
All those who deny the deity of Christ are wanna be Christians....they quote verses that speak of life before the Comforter came to dwell permanently in the believer....being the seal and the earnest of our inheritance.
The fact that you preach loss of salvation only advertises the fact that you are merely a seeker...having not yet been baptized by the Spirit into the body of Christ.
Simply stated, you have no clue what it means to be created a new creature IN Christ Jesus.
If one trusts in ANYTHING other than the Gospel given to Paul on the 'Road to Damascus' by the 'Ascended Lord Jesus Christ,' they are are placing their faith in 'Another Gospel.' Other gospels do not guarantee eternal life.
Amen, Sister.
God's Truth
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You make Paul guilty of preaching another gospel.
Paul did no such thing.
Was Paul saved after he believed on that road?
Yes or no.
Did Paul have to do something before he got saved?
Yes or no.
Acts 9: 6And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
nikolai_42
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nikolai_42
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I haven’t said anything different. If it is Jesus’ works then why is there any question about being saved? Is it not (the way you think about it) up to the individual whether or not they are ultimately saved? Isn’t it then a question whether anyone would ever be finally saved ( since it is up to them to abide in Christ)?
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