nikolai_42
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That is the textbook definition of salvation by works.
you might have life through His name.
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That is the textbook definition of salvation by works.
So? Where does it say you dont have to follow Him or being faihtful to Him to have eternal life?
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nikolai_42
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Which comes first? Your faithfulness or Christ's salvation? Or more accurately, by what strength are you being faithful for eternal life? If it were Christ's, then there would be assurance (see again Hebrews 6:18-19). If not, then you are running in your own strength.
Meshak has a few problems with the Bible itself. First of all, she doesn't trust in anything the Apostle Paul has to say. That rejection of Paul and his Gospel is what will keep Meshak out of Heaven and the eternal presence of God. She desires to do it the old fashion way, she wants to 'EARN IT.'
You have the audacity to judge someone else's English? :rotfl:
glorydaz
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Christians are the only ones in this world of sin who can be "comfortable". We are safe in Christ Jesus. Satan has no power over us at all.
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Bradley, you need to get saved.
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Looks like that must be meshak #2
Yes, one of the hardest things men/women can do, which is "no cakewalk," the requirement to become a member of the boc, is to shuck/jettison any attempt to present his/her works, filthy rags, as a basis for justification, acceptance, before a holy LORD God, and accept, by faith, the provision He has provided through the Lord Jesus Christ alone, as a basis for justification, acceptance, trusting what the Saviour did 2000+ years ago,alone, as the sole solution to the sin/sins issue.That is no cakewalk for proud, boastful, self righteous mankind, and explains why most are headed for hell, rejecting the only provision.
That was funny.
Meshak judges the saved daily.
You cannot follow Him without being in Him.
bump for [MENTION=17606]Derf[/MENTION].
I believe I understand salvation much better than many of you
Many of you dont understand "might" mean.
and it is English.
marhig understands this simple English and she is an English christian.
marhig
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I know that God will never leave me nor forsake me, so long as I remain in his goodness. But I also know that if I turn back to my flesh he will let me go and turn me over to me reprobate mind. I can't love God and the flesh. God won't stay with those who love their flesh and this world more them him.
Our Lord Jesus said, that the father never leaves him because he always does what pleases him.
And they goes for us to, if we live our lives putting ourselves, our flesh and this world before God, then we will leave us
The books of Jude, 2 Peter 2, and Romans 1 are about people who belonged to God through Christ, and turned back again loving their flesh and the world before God. God will not stay in the hearts of people like this.
2 Peter 2
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
marhig
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Yes those verses are true nothing can separate us from God if we are walking in the Spirit. But what can separate us from God is sin, and lusting after the flesh and this world.
The Holy Spirit won't remain with willful ungodly sinners. We are to turn from sin and live by the will of God.
1 Peter 4
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of histime in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God
1 John 2
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Matthew 7
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many can say they are saved with their mouths, but those who are truly being saved are those living by the will of God, and they are those who shall enter into the kingdom of heaven according to Christ Jesus.
marhig
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So you seem to believe in OSAS?
What if someone who has been saved turns back to their flesh and loves the world before God and forgets about him, living by their own will not his, saying they believe, but they never think about him, and never live by his will?
Or, what if they were saved and then turn away and don't believe anymore, do they still belong to God and are they still saved?
marhig
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Well how can we be saved without faith?
We are saved by the grace of God through faith. So without faith we can't be saved.
Derf
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Just for you, meshak:
marhig has refuted your OP. If "might" means also "might not", and we can't tell which, then there is no basis of faith, and as marhig says, we can't be saved without faith. John 20:31 is not a conditional "might", it's a permissive "might".
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