Why Your Faith in a Doctrine or a Religion Will NOT Save You

[Robert Pate]

Understanding the trinity.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are separate entities.

They are all present in each other, but their functions are different. The Father always stays in heaven. The Son comes into the world as the savior. The Holy Spirit glorifies the work of the Son and works in the life of the believer.

It is heresy to attribute to the Father or the Holy Spirit that which was accomplished by the Son. Jesus is the savior, not the Father or the Holy Spirit.

 

[beloved57]

Understanding the trinity.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are separate entities.

They are all present in each other, but their functions are different. The Father always stays in heaven. The Son comes into the world as the savior. The Holy Spirit glorifies the work of the Son and works in the life of the believer.

It is heresy to attribute to the Father or the Holy Spirit that which was accomplished by the Son. Jesus is the savior, not the Father or the Holy Spirit.

Hey, your faith is in the freewill of man !

 

[Bright Raven]

Hey, your faith is in the freewill of man !

And does man have freewill?

 

[heir]

And does man have freewill?

Ezra 7:13 KJV

 

[Bright Raven]

Ezra 7:13 KJV

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[Robert Pate]

And does man have freewill?

The teaching that a man does not have a freewill is probably one of the dumbest things that one can teach. It would not be possible to function is life without a free will. God did not create a bunch of dumb robots that cannot think and make choices. This is just another attempt by Calvinist to insult God.

 

[Nanja]

The teaching that a man does not have a freewill is probably one of the dumbest things that one can teach. It would not be possible to function is life without a free will. God did not create a bunch of dumb robots that cannot think and make choices. This is just another attempt by Calvinist to insult God.

Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

 

[Robert Pate]

Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

You Calvinist are all over the Bible trying to prove that God is a tyrant.

Daniel 4:35 was written under the law. It is Old Testament scripture. Under the law life was harsh. You need to get out of the Old Testament, which is law and get into the New Testament that is Grace. You know the one that says, "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16.

 

[Nanja]

You Calvinist are all over the Bible trying to prove that God is a tyrant.

Daniel 4:35 was written under the law. It is Old Testament scripture. Under the law life was harsh. You need to get out of the Old Testament, which is law and get into the New Testament that is Grace. You know the one that says, "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16.

Ps. 145:17
The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.

Never let it be said otherwise!


2 Tim. 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

This applies to both OT and NT. The Lord Jesus Christ fulfills all scripture, for all was centered in Him:


Luke 24:26-27
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets [including Daniel],he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

So it is Christ, by His Spirit given a person in New Birth Rom. 8:9, who must open the understanding of those that belong to Him Eph. 1:4-5, The World John 3:16 of His Body, The Church He gave Himself for Eph. 5:25.

Luke 24:44-45
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures


But the rest, those outside of the Election of Grace, shall remain spiritually blinded by satan. A lost man can't believe the Gospel, God's Words, because it's hid from him 2 Cor. 4:3-4, and nothing they do can please God Rom. 8:8.

 

[Bright Raven]

Ps. 145:17
The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.

Never let it be said otherwise!


2 Tim. 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

This applies to both OT and NT. The Lord Jesus Christ fulfills all scripture, for all was centered in Him:


Luke 24:26-27
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets [including Daniel],he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

So it is Christ, by His Spirit given a person in New Birth Rom. 8:9, who must open the understanding of those that belong to Him Eph. 1:4-5, The World John 3:16 of His Body, The Church He gave Himself for Eph. 5:25.

Luke 24:44-45
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures


But the rest, those outside of the Election of Grace, shall remain spiritually blinded by satan. A lost man can't believe the Gospel, God's Words, because it's hid from him 2 Cor. 4:3-4, and nothing they do can please God Rom. 8:8.

you have a problem.

 

[Robert Pate]

you have a problem.

They have a big problem. They don't have saving faith. No one will be saved that does not believe that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, as stated in 1 John 2:2. To believe that Jesus did NOT atone for all sins is to believe that Jesus is NOT Lord. All that believe Jesus is NOT Lord will die in their sins, John 8:24.

 

[Nanja]

They have a big problem. They don't have saving faith. No one will be saved that does not believe that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, as stated in 1 John 2:2. To believe that Jesus did NOT atone for all sins is to believe that Jesus is NOT Lord. All that believe Jesus is NOT Lord will die in their sins, John 8:24.

The only Faith that Saves is God Given in New Birth Gal. 5:22 to every one of His Election of Grace Rom. 11:5, whom He has Chosen In Union with Christ to have forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:4-7 before the world began.

That's the Gospel according to the Power of God!

2 Tim. 1:8-9
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; 9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began


But those like you Pate, who teach the gospel according to the power of man; that it's a man that determines his own salvation by exercising his own will to believe on Christ or receive Him, amounts to nothing less than works of the flesh or mind, which is antichrist!

1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man [not born again] receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

So those like you Pate, can't spiritually hear [understand] God's Words, the True Gospel of the Power of God, because the Gospel is hid from you 2 Cor. 4:3-4. Thus you are void of the Spirit of God / not Born of God.

John 8:43, 47
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 47 He that is of God heareth [comprehend, understand] God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.



But those who are Spiritual [Born Again] like Us [beloved57 and Nanja] are judged of no man, because We have the mind of Christ!

1 Cor. 2:15-16
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[beloved57]

They have a big problem. They don't have saving faith. No one will be saved that does not believe that Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, as stated in 1 John 2:2. To believe that Jesus did NOT atone for all sins is to believe that Jesus is NOT Lord. All that believe Jesus is NOT Lord will die in their sins, John 8:24.

You believe that sinners Christ died for shall die in their sins, making His Death of non effect !

 

[beloved57]

You Calvinist are all over the Bible trying to prove that God is a tyrant.

Daniel 4:35 was written under the law. It is Old Testament scripture. Under the law life was harsh. You need to get out of the Old Testament, which is law and get into the New Testament that is Grace. You know the one that says, "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16.

You believe God is harsh and unjust, that He will punish sinners in hell for sins that Christ already died for for them ! That makes God Unjust and Blood thirsty !

 

[Robert Pate]

You believe God is harsh and unjust, that He will punish sinners in hell for sins that Christ already died for for them ! That makes God Unjust and Blood thirsty !

God is not unjust. He has done all that he can do for the salvation of fallen man. He even sent his only begotten Son into the world to atone for your sins, so that all that you have to do to be saved is to believe in him. But being the lead head that you are, you have rejected that and want to be predestinated.

 

[Nanja]

You believe God is harsh and unjust, that He will punish sinners in hell for sins that Christ already died for for them ! That makes God Unjust and Blood thirsty !

Absolutely! Those Christ died for were reconciled to God while they were being His enemies Rom. 5:10 which results in their coming to God by Him Heb. 7:25!

 

[beloved57]

God is not unjust. He has done all that he can do for the salvation of fallen man. He even sent his only begotten Son into the world to atone for your sins, so that all that you have to do to be saved is to believe in him. But being the lead head that you are, you have rejected that and want to be predestinated.

You teach God is unjust in condemning sinners Christ has died for!

 

[beloved57]

Absolutely! Those Christ died for were reconciled to God while they were being His enemies Rom. 5:10 which results in their coming to God by Him Heb. 7:25!

Amen Sister !

 

[Robert Pate]

You teach God is unjust in condemning sinners Christ has died for!

And you just happen to be one of them. Salvation is a gift from God, not an imposition.

 

[God's Truth]

And you just happen to be one of them. Salvation is a gift from God, not an imposition.

So God just gives His gift to anyone?