Those with eternal life don't die.
Why Your Faith in a Doctrine or a Religion Will NOT Save You
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Those with eternal life don't die.
They die physically, not spiritually.
Hebrews 9:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
Yeah, Jesus died physically, no big deal.
And now Jesus is doing fine at last report.
Spiritual death is fatal, no cure, no anti-venom.
This time she is correct. No one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws them.
Right. And the Father draws all to come to Christ, Revelation 3:20.
Unfortunately, I have to dissect these verses with the Greek.
Romans 6:23
τὰ γὰρ ὀψώνια τῆς ἁμαρτίας θάνατος τὸ δὲ χάρισμα τοῦ θεοῦ ζωὴ αἰώνιος ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν
"Some wages [punishments?] of a wrong the death [life deprivation] ..missing verb.. thus a living of a god the permanent in the messiah Jesus, a lord ours."
Some of God's suggestions carry the death penalty.
The rest is not about the afterlife, but salvation from death of certain believers in the present. If only we could be that lucky, or special.
You seem to entertain Valentinian Gnostic beliefs.
"For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble are called." (1 Corinthians 1:26)
Why don't they count?
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I have no idea what that is and have no desire to look it up. Would you like to explain how obeying God equals false denomination?
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Why are you going to the Greek language?
Learning another language does nothing for finding God's Truth.
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The Father draws those when Jesus walked the earth. Jesus draws all when he is crucified.
You are an example of your own ignorance.
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God draws when Jesus walked the earth. The people were drawn to Jesus because they recognized what Jesus was saying as that being the words of God the Father.
When Jesus was crucified, he draws all to himself.
John 6:44“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. 45It is written in the prophets: ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me —
Did you see that?
They were drawn to Jesus because they recognized what Jesus said as that being the words of the Father.
John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
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You don't have truth to defend your beliefs so you resort to insults.
God brings the gospel to people in their own language.
Learning another language will not help you find God's Truth.
John 6:44 states the Father would draw them, 12:32 states that when crucified He would draw men unto Himself.
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That is an oxymoron. The new testament is the doctrine of Christ. One cant put their faith in Jesus without putting their faith in the doctrine of Christ.
[2Jo 1:8-11
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but [that] we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
[Jhn 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
Where does the Word say that?
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Glad to see that you agree.
I've seen greater miracles. :chuckle: