Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 5

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12 Ways Homosexual Adults Endanger Children


Let's go over all 12 points shall we?

1. Adults proudly living a homosexual life are disastrous role models. That lesbian teacher may be a personable expert in her subject, but her immoral lifestyle may mislead children. As she proclaims that homosexuals are always victims, displays the picture of her partner or “wife,” and befriends confused “LBGT” youth, many kids will come to exactly the wrong conclusion: “Ms. Warren seems nice, so the ‘gay’ life must be okay.”
https://barbwire.com/2014/06/04/twelve-ways-homosexual-adults-endanger-children/

Refute point one.

It is a generalism and stereotype. Not every homosexual is living what she calls the 'homosexual life'. Of course, she doesn't define it. Lacking any other information, we have no evidence that this teacher is any different than a heterosexual teacher as far as being a role model. This is the reason why trying to judge everyone by stereotypes is a bad idea. Individuals should be judged as individuals. It is entirely possible that Ms. Warren is a nice person and knowing her helps confused LBGT youths avoid that very lifestyle you worry about.

The only "information" that we need to know that is the teacher is a proud and unrepentant homosexual who refuses to tell children that homosexual behavior is not only physically harmful, to the point of being deadly, but even worse, it's psychologically and spiritually damaging (which is addressed later in the article).

When you're ready for point 2, lemme know.
 

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Thanks for sharing a video by LGBTQ activist Wayne "Does my bullhorn disrupt your EX homosexual meeting?" Besen.

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As shown in the above AFTAH article by Linda Ames Nicolosi (which I've linked again), Spitzer contacted her for her expertise on the subject because he knew little about homosexuality. When his findings showed that change was possible, the ever so tolerant LGBTQ movement harassed him into changing his decision.

https://americansfortruth.com/2016/...arch-shows-gays-can-change-their-orientation/

Um, no they didn't. Spitzer retracted and apologized of his own volition as is obvious if you'd viewed the video. He was insistent that people like Dr James Dobson were being dishonest and unethical to continue using his earlier findings as "evidence" and that organisations such as "PFOX" should desist from doing the same. This is from the guy's own mouth aCW.
 

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Poor thing, is aCultureWarrior being a meanie to poor little innocent Kit the Coyote?

*Laughs* No you silly man. You know the phrase about sticks and stones, words only have the power to hurt if you actually care about the person using them. And I certainly don't care about the opinion of a stranger who doesn't even have the strength of his own convictions to actually do anything about them. You have spent years of your life building this creed of yours and boasting how it would change the world if only people knew about it. But then all you do with it is post it here and engage in stupid arguements with a few hundred board members most of whom think you are a joke.


Keep in mind that indoctrinating children to the ways of perversion is 'molesting their minds'. You have a lot of 911 calls to make if you're truly interested in protecting children from LGBTQ indoctrination/molestation.

Unlike you, I would make those 911 calls if I do run across situations where they are necessary. You will likely just post another comment here.
 

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The only "information" that we need to know that is the teacher is a proud and unrepentant homosexual who refuses to tell children that homosexual behavior is not only physically harmful, to the point of being deadly, but even worse, it's psychologically and spiritually damaging (which is addressed later in the article).

When you're ready for point 2, lemme know.

Thank you for proving my point, based on this answer there is no point in going on.
 

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As shown in the above AFTAH article by Linda Ames Nicolosi (which I've linked again), Spitzer contacted her for her expertise on the subject because he knew little about homosexuality. When his findings showed that change was possible, the ever so tolerant LGBTQ movement harassed him into changing his decisio

Um, no they didn't. Spitzer retracted and apologized of his own volition as is obvious if you'd viewed the video. He was insistent that people like Dr James Dobson were being dishonest and unethical to continue using his earlier findings as "evidence" and that organisations such as "PFOX" should desist from doing the same. This is from the guy's own mouth aCW.

This is a good article that is posted on the AFTAH website:

An Open Letter to the Deniers of Reparative Therapy
By John McCartney

For years, “gay” activists have waged a disinformation campaign against reparative therapy (RT), a service available to the those with unwanted same-sex attraction (SSA). It got national attention decades ago when, using it, [sexologists] Masters & Johnson relieved 60 percent of such persons from SSA. Such therapy consists of conversation between a therapist and a client seeking the source of this unwelcome felling. That there is a source is attested to by the fact that there is no replicated study supporting the born-that-way argument. Anti-RT activists advance assertions that warrant scrutiny, assertions in addition to born-that-way, such as:
SSA is not a disorder, i.e., a divergence from nature. In support, they cite the 1973 removal of homosexuality from the [American Psychiatric Association’s] Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychiatric Disorders II at a meeting that made a travesty of psychiatric deliberation by politics and the ever-present threat of 1971-type disruptions [Editor’s note: see this “pro-LGBTQ psychiatric site, which notes: “There were a series of dramatic encounters between activists and psychiatrists at the annual meetings of the APA between 1970 and 1972.” Also see psychiatrist Dr Ronald Bayer’s book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis, which documents how “gay” militants bullied and harassed psychiatrists leading up to the APA vote depathologizing homosexuality.] In a subsequent referendum, psychiatrists without experience with homosexuality were polled; their votes outweighed the votes of psychiatrists who did have it. Psychiatrists with such clinical experience in counseling clients with SSA were marginalized in the proceedings.

Dr. Robert Spitzer, who quarterbacked the 1973 removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder (with a narrow exception), retracted his 2003 endorsement of RT, which he made after listening to the self-reports of 200 men and women for whom RT worked. Spitzer, after ten years, was convinced by “gay” activists that he really didn’t know what he once knew, that his endorsement was putting homosexuals in jeopardy, and that self-reporting of change was unreliable, even though he had expertise evaluating it. The [then] 80-year-old psychiatrist yielded to the same intense lobbying that his fellow psychiatrists did in the 1973 “scientific” [APA] meeting–to truth’s detriment.

The assertion that the showcased dozen or so victims of unqualified counselors constituted proof that RT doesn’t work and is often harmful is as unreasonable as asserting that Alcoholics Anonymous is a failure because it has only a 40 percent success rate.

Apparently, no successful “survivor” of Reparative Therapy was interviewed. One wonders how many of the 350,000 AIDS fatalities (up to 500,000 due to cause-of-death mislabeling) would be living if they had had an opportunity to weaken their same-sex attraction. HIV/AIDS has taken a terrible toll among men having sex with men (MSM). Of the 1.2 million Americans with the disease, 65 percent are MSM (homosexuals comprise just 1.7 percent of the U.S. population). Seventy percent of new infections occur among these men.Homosexual “marriage” has been no solution: 86 percent of new HIV transmissions in gay and bi [bisexual] men occur in relationships or in the context of two guys sleeping together regularly; for guys ages 16 to 24, 79 percent. The cost comes to $16.5 billion per year. Illinois alone has received $80.8 billion [in federal funds] to service HIV/AIDS victims (as of 2014). [See this Kaiser Family Foundation report, which states: “Federal funding for HIV has increased significantly over the course of the epidemic, rising from just a few hundred thousand in FY 1982 to more than $32 billion in FY 2017.”]
The above begs the question: why the desperate effort to discredit RT when SSA has led, and is leading, to such suffering and early death for MSM, plus the crushing medical costs (from self-inflicted behavior), when RT offers hope to those dissatisfied with their not-so-gay lifestyle? A plausible answer: the grandfather of the Gay Liberation Movement, the late Frank (“Gay Is Good”) Kameny, whose personal history belies his mantra, contended that the edifice of “gay” liberation would collapse if homosexuality could not gain acceptance as a normal variant of heterosexuality. If the 200 gays and lesbians interviewed by the aforementioned Dr. Spitzer, plus hundreds of others, have minimized or eliminated their same-sex attraction, then SSA cannot be regarded as a normal variant and therefore must be a disorder, a divergence from nature/normality. Disorders need rectifying, not membership in a protected class for which the 1973 APA decision laid the groundwork.
What accounts for the deniers’ success when there is so much evidence that homosexuality (condition and behavior) is not, as Kameny says, a normal variant of human sexual behavior? If Americans believe so, it is because the media has suppressed most negatives about homosexuality and suppressed all the positives about RT. If the success stories that Dr. Spitzer certified argue convincingly for the minimization/elimination of SSA–as they do–then there is no justification for making homosexuals a protected class. Rather, they should be regarded as many clinically experienced psychiatrists regard victims of depression, which affects saints and sinners. Developing the comparison: SSA points its victims toward HIV/AIDS; depression, toward suicide. The latter’s death toll is infinitesimal compared to the former.
In Shakespeare’s Hamlet, the Player Queen’s repeated assertions to her dying husband that she would never, never marry again led even the naïve Queen Gertrude, Hamlet’s mother, to suspect her emotional insistence. So should the relentless protestations (“fraudulent,” “harmful,” “charlatans”) of the RT deniers (like the LGBTQ activist group “Truth Wins Out“) be regarded. To paraphrase the skeptical Queen’s response to Hamlet’s question: These deniers protest too much, methinks.

John J. McCartney, Jr.
Citizens Concerned About Media
https://americansfortruth.com/2018/01/05/an-open-letter-to-the-deniers-of-ex-gay-reparative-therapy/
PO Box 8208
Chicago, IL 60608

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Poor thing, is aCultureWarrior being a meanie to poor little innocent Kit the Coyote?

*Laughs* No you silly man. You know the phrase about sticks and stones, words only have the power to hurt if you actually care about the person using them. And I certainly don't care about the opinion of a stranger who doesn't even have the strength of his own convictions to actually do anything about them. You have spent years of your life building this creed of yours and boasting how it would change the world if only people knew about it. But then all you do with it is post it here and engage in stupid arguements with a few hundred board members most of whom think you are a joke.

Looking back at the posts from the website where we first started chatting, I'm getting the feeling that the person who wrote this expose' on anal sex does a little bit more than just think about having sex with other men.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Simply put: the anus was not meant to be used as a sex object, and terrible things happen when it is. These sexually confused youth contracted same sex desires due to traumatic experiences in childhood. God gives man free will to overcome unwanted behaviors and desires. It's ironic that the LGBTQ movement uses that free will (to overcome substance abuse, etc.) but doesn't want others to use it to overcome same sex desires.

Kit the Coyote 11 days ago
I have often wondered why if God so hates homosexual behaviours and anal sex in particular why he promotes it? It should be ridiculously easy for him to arrange Human biology so that anal sex is practically impossible and painful. Instead it is just the opposite.
Now this is understandable from a evolutionary point of view since most other species use the same opening for reproduction, solid and liquid waste disposal. Mammals just branched off from that in their development when they abandoned egg laying but the wiring is all still there.
Eliminating some nerves and moving a few key components a few inches to the right or left would render pleasure from the act impossible. A few more nerves in the right places would render it intensely painful.


Either you have a medical degree Kit and know the physiological makeup of the anus or...


Me thinkz that it's "or....".

Speaking of children molestation/indoctrination and anal sex,
how about we discuss Linda Harvey's 2nd point on

12 Ways Homosexual Adults Endanger Children

2. Children living a home headed by homosexual adults are exposed to the same poor examples in triple intensity and intimacy. Same -sex- coupled parents live a huge lie, deceiving themselves and the children, because they were not “born this way,” this is not “marriage,” and they are in all probability engaging in physically risky behaviors, like males who have anal sex . Just talk to emergency room doctors to find out the harmful outcomes of “faux” intercourse. These relationships can turn volatile in a second, with higher rates of domestic violence, putting everyone in the household at risk. Homosexual adults are typically high consumers of pornography, another element poisonous to the young.
Children from such homes have more problematic lives as young adults, according to a study by Dr. Mark Regnerus, findings spurned by vocal homosexual activists in America. Still, the study was academically validated by the University of Texas.
https://barbwire.com/2014/06/04/twelve-ways-homosexual-adults-endanger-children/

Go ahead and refute deny deny deny the above, that's pretty much the modus operandi of the LGBTQ movement.
 

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Looking back at the posts from the website where we first started chatting, I'm getting the feeling that the person who wrote this expose' on anal sex does a little bit more than just think about having sex with other men.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Simply put: the anus was not meant to be used as a sex object, and terrible things happen when it is. These sexually confused youth contracted same sex desires due to traumatic experiences in childhood. God gives man free will to overcome unwanted behaviors and desires. It's ironic that the LGBTQ movement uses that free will (to overcome substance abuse, etc.) but doesn't want others to use it to overcome same sex desires.

Kit the Coyote 11 days ago
I have often wondered why if God so hates homosexual behaviors and anal sex in particular why he promotes it? It should be ridiculously easy for him to arrange Human biology so that anal sex is practically impossible and painful. Instead, it is just the opposite.
Now, this is understandable from an evolutionary point of view since most other species use the same opening for reproduction, solid and liquid waste disposal. Mammals just branched off from that in their development when they abandoned egg laying but the wiring is all still there.
Eliminating some nerves and moving a few key components a few inches to the right or left would render pleasure from the act impossible. A few more nerves in the right places would render it intensely painful.

Either you have a medical degree Kit and know the physiological makeup of the anus or...
One does not need a medical degree to do research on a specific aspect of biology. It is called the Information Age for a reason. They are called books, you should try them sometime but then you are a person who is afraid to publish his life's passion.

The question occurred to me so I did a little research and found that yes that particular sex act is only possible due to very specific features of mammal biology. From an evolutionary viewpoint that is understandable but if you believe in an intelligent designer then you have to accept that it was designed that way.

You avoided the question of course by resorting to the free will argument that really doesn't answer it.

Speaking of children molestation/indoctrination and anal sex,
how about we discuss Linda Harvey's 2nd point on

12 Ways Homosexual Adults Endanger Children

2. Children living a home headed by homosexual adults are exposed to the same poor examples in triple intensity and intimacy. Same -sex- coupled parents live a huge lie, deceiving themselves and the children, because they were not “born this way,” this is not “marriage,” and they are in all probability engaging in physically risky behaviors, like males who have anal sex . Just talk to emergency room doctors to find out the harmful outcomes of “faux” intercourse. These relationships can turn volatile in a second, with higher rates of domestic violence, putting everyone in the household at risk. Homosexual adults are typically high consumers of pornography, another element poisonous to the young.
Children from such homes have more problematic lives as young adults, according to a study by Dr. Mark Regnerus, findings spurned by vocal homosexual activists in America. Still, the study was academically validated by the University of Texas.
https://barbwire.com/2014/06/04/twelve-ways-homosexual-adults-endanger-children/

Go ahead and refute deny deny deny the above, that's pretty much the modus operandi of the LGBTQ movement.

It is again relying too much on stereotypes. You might be shocked to find out that not all gay couples engage in anal sex. A survey done a few years ago found it was somewhere close to half do not. I'll see if I can find it again to get the exact figures.

There are also well-adjusted intelligent homosexuals, usually the type to marry and form a household, that will be no different than good heterosexual parents in restricting sex to the bedroom and seeing that their kids receive a good upbringing and education on sexual matters.

Other studies have found that the outcomes of children raised in same-sex households are not statistically different than children raised in opposite-sex households. Those studies were a key part of the evidence in the court cases leading up to Obergefell v Hodges.

I understand that you seem incapable of believing there are well-adjusted homosexuals out there who can make good parents or teachers but that does not alter the fact that there are.
 

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Looking back at the posts from the website where we first started chatting, I'm getting the feeling that the person who wrote this expose' on anal sex does a little bit more than just think about having sex with other men.

One does not need a medical degree to do research on a specific aspect of biology. It is called the Information Age for a reason. They are called books, you should try them sometime but then you are a person who is afraid to publish his life's passion.


One must have a perverse interest in the anus in order to do research which results in the conclusion that

"Eliminating some nerves and moving a few key components a few inches to the right or left would render pleasure from the act impossible. A few more nerves in the right places would render it intensely painful."


A normal person rarely thinks about the anus, other than the fact that it's a muscle designed to expel human waste.

The question occurred to me so I did a little research and found that yes that particular sex act is only possible due to very specific features of mammal biology. From an evolutionary viewpoint that is understandable but if you believe in an intelligent designer then you have to accept that it was designed that way.

You avoided the question of course by resorting to the free will argument that really doesn't answer it.

I get creeped out pretty easy when males start talking about how pleasurable anal sex can be, hence I quickly change the subject so that I don't have to run to a nearby toilet to vomit.


Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Speaking of children molestation/indoctrination and anal sex,
how about we discuss Linda Harvey's 2nd point on

12 Ways Homosexual Adults Endanger Children

2. Children living a home headed by homosexual adults are exposed to the same poor examples in triple intensity and intimacy. Same -sex- coupled parents live a huge lie, deceiving themselves and the children, because they were not “born this way,” this is not “marriage,” and they are in all probability engaging in physically risky behaviors, like males who have anal sex . Just talk to emergency room doctors to find out the harmful outcomes of “faux” intercourse. These relationships can turn volatile in a second, with higher rates of domestic violence, putting everyone in the household at risk. Homosexual adults are typically high consumers of pornography, another element poisonous to the young.
Children from such homes have more problematic lives as young adults, according to a study by Dr. Mark Regnerus, findings spurned by vocal homosexual activists in America. Still, the study was academically validated by the University of Texas.
https://barbwire.com/2014/06/04/twelve-ways-homosexual-adults-endanger-children/

Go ahead and refute deny deny deny the above, that's pretty much the modus operandi of the LGBTQ movement.

It is again relying too much on stereotypes.


As I showed you in the first point that Linda Harvey made in the article: the key is that these people are proud and unrepentant about their behavior, i.e. they're not struggling with same sex desires and are attempting to overcome them. As you saw in my most recent scenario with Arthur Brain, never will they (or their allies) tell children that homosexuality is morally wrong and that it's an extremely harmful behavior, as well as being psychologically and spiritually damaging.

Remember how you stated that as long as the parent[s) of 10 year old boy are ok with it then he should be allowed to dress up like a girl and dance provocatively at parades where all kinds of sexual depravity takes place? Remember how you also stated that the parents of children who are sexually and gender confused shouldn't be allowed to seek psychological/spiritual help from a trained and licensed therapist so that their sexually/gender confused child won't have to go through the living hell that homosexuality is?


The prosecution rests it's case.


You might be shocked to find out that not all gay couples engage in anal sex. A survey done a few years ago found it was somewhere close to half do not. I'll see if I can find it again to get the exact figures.

I told the late alwight the atheist (who admitted that he had anal cancer, and disappeared shortly thereafter) that "the anus is to a homosexual relationship what the vagina is to a heterosexual relationship".

When the anus is used as a sex object, very very bad things happen (especially when men are at the receiving end). Of course you and I and the rest of the world wouldn't be here if our parents didn't engage in traditional sex.

Regarding those male homosexuals who don't engage in buggery: paraphrasing the words of my good friend Sandy (aka Rusha): "...then they're not 'real' homosexuals".


There are also well-adjusted intelligent homosexuals, usually the type to marry and form a household, that will be no different than good heterosexual parents in restricting sex to the bedroom and seeing that their kids receive a good upbringing and education on sexual matters.


They engage in a perversion that is extremely harmful and identify with a movement that amongst other things indoctrinates innocent children and hijacks society's invaluable institutions and severely damages them or outright destroys them.

Other studies have found that the outcomes of children raised in same-sex households are not statistically different than children raised in opposite-sex households. Those studies were a key part of the evidence in the court cases leading up to Obergefell v Hodges.

I understand that you seem incapable of believing there are well-adjusted homosexuals out there who can make good parents or teachers but that does not alter the fact that there are.


Mark Regenerus found otherwise, but then when the LGBTQ movement complained about his findings, it became a unscientific study.

UT investigates professor's study on children with gay parents
Updated July 11, 2012

Allegations of scientific misconduct have prompted the University of Texas to investigate a professor's study that found adults with gay parents reported significantly different life experiences than the children of married, heterosexual biological parents.
The study, authored by associate professor of sociology Mark Regnerus, made a splash when it was published last month in the journal Social Science Research. It has since drawn criticism from scholars at UT and elsewhere.

Bucking the consensus of the past decade of scholarship that the sexual orientation of parents does not negatively affect children in consequential ways Regnerus found that adults with gay parents tended to report lower levels of success in economic and romantic pursuits and struggled more with mental health issues.
The university began the inquiry after New York City freelance writer Scott Rosensweig, who uses the byline Scott Rose and writes about lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issues for a blog called "The New Civil Rights Movement," sent a letter of complaint to UT President Bill Powers on June 21.
In his letter, Rosensweig alleged that Regnerus had committed scientific misconduct because he had created "a study designed so as to be guaranteed to make gay people look bad, through means plainly fraudulent and defamatory." Rosensweig also pointed out that the study was funded by the conservative Witherspoon Institute and the Bradley Foundation, writing that Regnerus had taken "money from an anti-gay political organization for his study."
Regnerus declined to comment on the inquiry but said that his study followed the standard protocol of scholarly research.
"A team consisting of leading family researchers was involved in developing the research protocol," Regnerus wrote in an email. "This academic team merged scholars across disciplines and ideological lines in a spirit of civility and reasoned inquiry, and the protocol developed by this team was subsequently approved by the University of Texas' Institutional Review Board."
"Normal procedures were followed for obtaining outside support, as many researchers do," he wrote.
The University of Texas defines scientific misconduct as "fabrication, falsification, or plagiarism" and "practices that seriously deviate from ethical standards."
Read more: https://www.statesman.com/news/loca...dren-with-gay-parents/xb1G2oDRr8CH7IEEfXLwFP/

It doesn't take a study to show that faux parents who subject their adopted children to immoral ideology and the child molesting LGBTQ movement's lifestyle, are going to turn out as messed up as "daddy and daddy".

Speaking of what causes homosexual desires and that they can be changed: When (and if) Arthur Brain returns, I want to share an article by the NYT's where Robert Spitzer and Irving Bieber debated.
 
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Dr. Robert Spitzer, who quarterbacked the 1973 removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder (with a narrow exception), retracted his 2003 endorsement of RT, which he made after listening to the self-reports of 200 men and women for whom RT worked. Spitzer, after ten years, was convinced by “gay” activists that he really didn’t know what he once knew, that his endorsement was putting homosexuals in jeopardy, and that self-reporting of change was unreliable, even though he had expertise evaluating it. The [then] 80-year-old psychiatrist yielded to the same intense lobbying that his fellow psychiatrists did in the 1973 “scientific” [APA] meeting–to truth’s detriment.

He didn't "yield" to anything and this is just the sort of garbage I'd expect from crank sites like "A4T"...

He retracted his findings because he realized he was in error and that therapy simply doesn't work. Unlike far right religious crackpots he's simply echoing what the legitimate scientific community already knows, it's bunk and harmful bunk at that.
 

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He's [Robert Spitzer] not lying in either. Back in 2004 he had an erroneous view that with reflection, honesty and insight he subsequently changed. Good for him for doing so.

Either his study (published 1 year before the video where he stated that "change is possible") is truthful or it isn't.

Can Some Gay Men and Lesbians Change Their Sexual Orientation? 200 Participants Reporting a Change from Homosexual to Heterosexual Orientation1
Robert L. Spitzer, M.D.2,3,4


Position statements of the major mental health organizations in the United States state that there is no scientific evidence that a homosexual sexual orientation can be changed by psychotherapy, often referred to as “reparative therapy.” This study tested the hypothesis that some individuals whose sexual orientation is predominantly homosexual can, with some form of reparative therapy, become predominantly heterosexual. The participants were 200 self-selected individuals (143 males, 57 females) who reported at least some minimal change from homosexual to heterosexual orientation that lasted at least 5 years. They were interviewed by telephone, using a structured interview that assessed same sex attraction, fantasy, yearning, and overt homosexual behavior. On all measures, the year prior to the therapy was compared to the year before the interview. The majority of participants gave reports of change from a predominantly or exclusively homosexual orientation before therapy to a predominantly or exclusively heterosexual orientation in the past year. Reports of complete change were uncommon. Female participants reported significantly more change than did male participants. Either some gay men and lesbians, following reparative therapy, actually change their predominantly homosexual orientation to a predominantly heterosexual orientation or some gay men and women construct elaborate self-deceptive narratives (or even lie) in which they claim to have changed their sexual orientation, or both. For many reasons, it is concluded that the participants’ self-reports were, by-and-large, credible and that few elaborated self-deceptive narratives or lied. Thus, there is evidence that change in sexual orientation following some form of reparative therapy does occur in some gay men and lesbians.

Read more: http://www.stolaf.edu/people/huff/classes/Psych130F2010/LabDocuments/Spitzer.pdf

I think that it's time that I jog your 'selective memory' Arthur and go into great detail on how the word 'gaystapo' came about. As shown in earlier threads, those who had the audacity to speak out against homosexuality and/or the LGBT agenda (faux marriage, the authenticity of reparative therapy, etc.) were (and currently are being) harassed, threatened with violence or death, lose their jobs and livelihood, have their private property destroyed and are considered outcasts of society.


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This will be a pretty long segment because there are so many cases to review.


BTW, I'll share the debate between Irving Bieber and Robert Spitzer from a NYT's article later today. You'll be surprised about Bieber.
 

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Either his study (published 1 year before the video where he stated that "change is possible") is truthful or it isn't.

Can Some Gay Men and Lesbians Change Their Sexual Orientation? 200 Participants Reporting a Change from Homosexual to Heterosexual Orientation1
Robert L. Spitzer, M.D.2,3,4


Position statements of the major mental health organizations in the United States state that there is no scientific evidence that a homosexual sexual orientation can be changed by psychotherapy, often referred to as “reparative therapy.” This study tested the hypothesis that some individuals whose sexual orientation is predominantly homosexual can, with some form of reparative therapy, become predominantly heterosexual. The participants were 200 self-selected individuals (143 males, 57 females) who reported at least some minimal change from homosexual to heterosexual orientation that lasted at least 5 years. They were interviewed by telephone, using a structured interview that assessed same sex attraction, fantasy, yearning, and overt homosexual behavior. On all measures, the year prior to the therapy was compared to the year before the interview. The majority of participants gave reports of change from a predominantly or exclusively homosexual orientation before therapy to a predominantly or exclusively heterosexual orientation in the past year. Reports of complete change were uncommon. Female participants reported significantly more change than did male participants. Either some gay men and lesbians, following reparative therapy, actually change their predominantly homosexual orientation to a predominantly heterosexual orientation or some gay men and women construct elaborate self-deceptive narratives (or even lie) in which they claim to have changed their sexual orientation, or both. For many reasons, it is concluded that the participants’ self-reports were, by-and-large, credible and that few elaborated self-deceptive narratives or lied. Thus, there is evidence that change in sexual orientation following some form of reparative therapy does occur in some gay men and lesbians.

Read more: http://www.stolaf.edu/people/huff/classes/Psych130F2010/LabDocuments/Spitzer.pdf

I think that it's time that I jog your 'selective memory' Arthur and go into great detail on how the word 'gaystapo' came about. As shown in earlier threads, those who had the audacity to speak out against homosexuality and/or the LGBT agenda (faux marriage, the authenticity of reparative therapy, etc.) were (and currently are being) harassed, threatened with violence or death, lose their jobs and livelihood and considered an outcast of society.


This will be a pretty long segment because there are so many cases to review.


BTW, I'll share the debate between Irving Bieber and Robert Spitzer from a NYT's article later today. You'll be surprised about Bieber.

Dude, he wasn't threatened or coerced into retracting his findings. He was an honest man who not only retracted his research but expressly requested that organizations like NARTH and Dr James Dobson refrain from using them, which of course the crackpots didn't and it's not the first time that Dobson has misrepresented other people's work either.

He did it of his own volition and no amount of cut 'n' pastes and deflective garbage is going to change that. There's no cure for being gay and you'll have to learn to live with that.
 

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Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
I think that it's time that I jog your 'selective memory' Arthur and go into great detail on how the word 'gaystapo' came about. As shown in earlier threads, those who had the audacity to speak out against homosexuality and/or the LGBT agenda (faux marriage, the authenticity of reparative therapy, etc.) were (and currently are being) harassed, threatened with violence or death, lose their jobs and livelihood and considered an outcast of society.


This will be a pretty long segment because there are so many cases to review.


Dude, he wasn't threatened or coerced into retracting his findings. He was an honest man who not only retracted his research but expressly requested that organizations like NARTH and Dr James Dobson refrain from using them, which of course the crackpots didn't and it's not the first time that Dobson has misrepresented other people's work either.

He did it of his own volition and no amount of cut 'n' pastes and deflective garbage is going to change that. There's no cure for being gay and you'll have to learn to live with that.

You're probably right on this one Arthur. Homosexual/devout LGBTQ activist Wayne "Does my bullhorn disrupt your EX gay meeting?" Besen probably was just interested in the truth and he and his 'gaystapo' didn't threaten a fragile 80 year old man into saying that his extensive research on those with same sex desires being able to change is possible wasn't valid.


Unlike where Wayne "Does my bullhorn disrupt your meeting of EX gays" Besen refers to Dr. Michael Brown's Christian group as "uninvited locusts"
https://illinoisfamily.org/homosexu...wayne-besens-screed-against-dr-michael-brown/



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Unlike what Linda Ames Nicolosi stated in the AFTAH article:

But even that qualified conclusion was too much for the LGB establishment. Fresh from recent cultural victories, this was a shocking betrayal; coming from a onetime ally, it had to be punished.
Spitzer was clearly taken aback by the ugliness of the pre-publication reaction. His social group, as he explained—not entirely tongue-in-cheek—was the “readers of the New York Times.” He seemed to be unable to comprehend that he could be an enemy of anyone for discovering this neglected population of ex-gays. I think he believed that support for any community that was culturally marginalized would be—as it once had been—a popular move, even among New York’s cultural liberals. This time, however, he had misjudged the temper of the times; he had failed to recognize the “new orthodoxy” and its changing concept of victimology.
Just before the study was due to be published, I received this S.O.S. call from him: “I have been reviewing the emails that I have received and I must admit I had the fantasy of giving up this whole thing….!”

https://americansfortruth.com/2016/...arch-shows-gays-can-change-their-orientation/

I'm sure that Besen and his jack booted thug allies never intimidated a 80 year old man into saying something that he didn't mean.

Nope, uh uh.

That being said: With your approval, I'll go ahead and show how Besen's LGBT movement has amongst other things assaulted, harassed and threatened with death not only elderly women, but pregnant ones as well.


Of course only with your permission will I do so Arthur.
 
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Dude, he wasn't threatened or coerced into retracting his findings. He was an honest man who not only retracted his research...


he was an elderly man who was brow-beaten into reversing his findings from a lifetime of work due to political pressure from perverts
 

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I think that it's time that I jog your 'selective memory' Arthur and go into great detail on how the word 'gaystapo' came about. As shown in earlier threads, those who had the audacity to speak out against homosexuality and/or the LGBT agenda (faux marriage, the authenticity of reparative therapy, etc.) were (and currently are being) harassed, threatened with violence or death, lose their jobs and livelihood and considered an outcast of society.


This will be a pretty long segment because there are so many cases to review.




You're probably right on this one Arthur. Homosexual/devout LGBTQ activist Wayne "Does my bullhorn disrupt your EX gay meeting?" Besen probably was just interested in the truth and he and his 'gaystapo' didn't threaten a fragile 80 year old man into saying that his extensive research on those with same sex desires being able to change is possible wasn't valid.


Unlike where Wayne "Does my bullhorn disrupt your meeting of EX gays" Besen referring to Dr. Michael Brown's Christian group as "uninvited locusts"
https://illinoisfamily.org/homosexu...wayne-besens-screed-against-dr-michael-brown/



besen-420x260.jpg


I'm sure that Besen and his jack booted thug allies would never intimidate a 80 year old man into saying something that he didn't mean.

Nope, uh uh.

That being said: With your approval, I'll go ahead and show how Besen's LGBT movement has amongst other thins assaulted, harassed and threatened with death not only elderly women, but pregnant ones as well.


Of course only with your permission will I do so Arthur.

Absolutely, he wasn't intimidated into telling the truth as you know. He willingly retracted his findings and as you also know he went further than that and made it clear that he didn't want his former research used by crank outfits like NARTH etc.

If you want to continue to be a clown and feebly insist that Spitzer said all that he did under duress then carry on by all means. Nobody expects common sense, reason and objective thought processes from you anyway.
 

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Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
That being said: With your approval, I'll go ahead and show how Besen's LGBT movement has amongst other things assaulted, harassed and threatened with death not only elderly women, but pregnant ones as well.


Of course only with your permission will I do so Arthur.

Absolutely, he wasn't intimidated into telling the truth as you know. He willingly retracted his findings and as you also know he went further than that and made it clear that he didn't want his former research used by crank outfits like NARTH etc.

If you want to continue to be a clown and feebly insist that Spitzer said all that he did under duress then carry on by all means. Nobody expects common sense, reason and objective thought processes from you anyway.

Thank you for allowing me to go ahead with a detailed review on how the LGBTQ movement has used harassment and violence to silence those who speak out against homosexuality and the LGBT agenda.


I wouldn't dream of showing cases where a church was firebombed because the pastor had the audacity to fire a proud and unrepentant homosexual nor where he and his wife's children were threatened with rape and death, nor would I show how a 14 year old girl who spoke out against faux 'gay' marriage was threatened with rape and death if I didn't have your approval Arthur.


Thanks again.


Back later with Bieber's and Spitzer's NYT's interview (before the very very long segment on homosexual violence and intimidation begins).
 

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Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
That being said: With your approval, I'll go ahead and show how Besen's LGBT movement has amongst other things assaulted, harassed and threatened with death not only elderly women, but pregnant ones as well.


Of course only with your permission will I do so Arthur.



Thank you for allowing me to go ahead with a detailed review on how the LGBTQ movement has used harassment and violence to silence those who speak out against homosexuality and the LGBT agenda.


I wouldn't dream of showing cases where a church was firebombed because the pastor had the audacity to fire a proud and unrepentant homosexual nor where he and his wife's children were threatened with rape and death, nor would I show how a 14 year old girl who spoke out against faux 'gay' marriage was threatened with rape and death if I didn't have your approval Arthur.


Thanks again.


Back later with Bieber's and Spitzer's NYT's interview (before the very very long segment on homosexual violence and intimidation begins).

Dude, you've constantly used misinformation, hyperbole and crackpot exaggeration since you started this bore fest about seven years ago and your obsession with gay men is pathological. You need to get to grips with your own sexuality because "therapy centers" won't help you and it's time to stop living a lie.

Spitzer retracted his findings because he acknowledged the truth, that he was wrong and that "therapy" was not only ineffective but harmful. It took some courage to admit his mistakes but that he did. No intimidation, no threats and if you watch the video then it's obvious that he wanted it on the record - along with cranks not to use his erroneous former research.
 

Arthur Brain

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As I showed you in the first point that Linda Harvey made in the article: the key is that these people are proud and unrepentant about their behavior, i.e. they're not struggling with same sex desires and are attempting to overcome them. As you saw in my most recent scenario with Arthur Brain, never will they (or their allies) tell children that homosexuality is morally wrong and that it's an extremely harmful behavior, as well as being psychologically and spiritually damaging.

Not indulging your fevered and appallingly written scenarios is just that.

I told the late alwight the atheist (who admitted that he had anal cancer, and disappeared shortly thereafter) that "the anus is to a homosexual relationship what the vagina is to a heterosexual relationship".

When did Alwight admit to having "anal cancer"? You are pathetic. If it was bowel cancer then it's a common form and nothing to do with the likes of what you're implying. For the benefit of Kit, Alwight was a straight man who was one of the most reasonable posters on this board, sorely missed and with a propensity to undermine aCW at every turn. aCW is now being thoroughly and intentionally dishonest by transparently trying to paint him as a homosexual which he wasn't and as he well knows. Unfortunately it would seem that Alwight has indeed passed away but it had nothing to do with anything related to homosexuality and you should be ashamed of yourself aCW. Even for you this is beyond crass.

Regarding those male homosexuals who don't engage in buggery: paraphrasing the words of my good friend Sandy (aka Rusha): "...then they're not 'real' homosexuals".

Quote? After all, your word on what other posters have said is squat in itself.

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