Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 5

[Kit the Coyote]

I find it interesting in your deleted Disqus post you insinuated that I engaged in deflection my response to your scenario but on your return here the first thing you do is start deflecting from the response to focus on what is one of the least relevant points in my followup comments.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I find it interesting in your deleted Disqus post you insinuated that I engaged in deflection my response to your scenario but on your return here the first thing you do is start deflecting from the response to focus on what is one of the least relevant points in my followup comments.

You accused me if "misrepresenting" what you said in several earlier posts. I'm being very meticulous by using your actual quotes so that any accusations of "misrepresentation" doesn't happen again.

It's late, I'll address the rest of your post (below) tomorrow.

However, if I am responsible for the boy's care, I am not going to take the 'confused' boy to the AACC just because he asked for it. I would more likely take him to a mental healthcare specialist recommended by Tricare. Whoever I take him too will have to pass muster by me.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Continuing with...

However, if I am responsible for the boy's care,

In the dozen or so "Uncle Art" scenarios, youth of different ages were having life changing moral dilemmas and asking Arthur for advice. There was no indication that Arthur was a blood relative or was responsible for their care.

I am not going to take the 'confused' boy to the AACC just because he asked for it.

When I use the word "confused" while speaking of youth, it involves having homosexual desires or gender identity issues (they are identifying as a member of the opposite sex).

In Oregon (and as I recall some other states as well) a 15 year old can have an abortion or go through gender reassignment surgery without parental consent (I talked about this several times in past posts and can link evidence if you desire). If 15 year old's are considered mature enough to make those destructive decisions, which will forever change their lives for the worse, why can't a 15 year old talk to a Christian counselor without the consent of his LGBT/pro LGBT parents or guardian?

I would more likely take him to a mental healthcare specialist recommended by Tricare. Whoever I take him too will have to pass muster by me.

Tricare works with the Dept. of Defense, which has been shown to be very pro LGBT.

Defense Department Observes LGBT Pride Month
https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1201524/defense-department-observes-lgbt-pride-month/

Tricare also supplies hormones for men and women with gender dysphoria, and in some cases does genital mutilation surgery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricare
https://tricare.mil/CoveredServices/IsItCovered/GenderDysphoriaServices

Did you already know that?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Continuing with...
In the dozen or so "Uncle Art" scenarios, youth of different ages were having life changing moral dilemmas and asking Arthur for advice. There was no indication that Arthur was a blood relative or was responsible for their care.

What, really?!

:duh:

Tell ya what, here's a scenario in turn:

Dear "Uncle" aCW.

Why is it that you are so uncommonly fixated on homosexuality and in particular gay men? It's highly irregular for a straight man to be so obsessed on the subject to devote seven years to a blog which includes homosexual innuendo directed at people who are straight, deliberate lies and misrepresentations about people and utterly disrespectful implications about those who may have passed away.

How is this normal for a straight person and one who identifies as a Christian?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Continuing with...

In the dozen or so "Uncle Art" scenarios, youth of different ages were having life changing moral dilemmas and asking Arthur for advice. There was no indication that Arthur was a blood relative or was responsible for their care.

What, really?!

:duh:

Tell ya what, here's a scenario in turn:

Dear "Uncle" aCW.

Why is it that you are so uncommonly fixated on homosexuality and in particular gay men? It's highly irregular for a straight man to be so obsessed on the subject to devote seven years to a blog which includes homosexual innuendo directed at people who are straight, deliberate lies and misrepresentations about people and utterly disrespectful implications about those who may have passed away.

How is this normal for a straight person and one who identifies as a Christian?

Good morning Aar...ahem Arthur. The answer to your question is very simple and can be found in Matthew 22:37-40

Note that those are commandments handed down by the Son of God/God in the flesh to His followers, not suggestions.

Speaking of verses from Matthew: It's time to get ready for Church.

Matthew 18:20

Coming up: Let's learn more about my new friend Kit the Coyote, in his own words.
Hopefully he'll be back to clear up any misrepresentations on my part.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Good morning Aar...ahem Arthur. The answer to your question is very simple and can be found in Matthew 22:37-40

Note that those are commandments handed down by the Son of God/God in the flesh to His followers, not suggestions.

Speaking of verses from Matthew: It's time to get ready for Church.

Matthew 18:20

Coming up: Let's learn more about my new friend Kit the Coyote, in his own words.
Hopefully he'll be back to clear up any misrepresentations on my part.

But "Uncle" aCW. The first passage admonishes your actions as deliberately lying about and misrepresenting people doesn't fulfil love but goes against it. You've recently been banned off a Christian forum for such dishonesty and behaviour. How do you justify that?

 

[Kit the Coyote]

Continuing with...



In the dozen or so "Uncle Art" scenarios, youth of different ages were having life changing moral dilemmas and asking Arthur for advice. There was no indication that Arthur was a blood relative or was responsible for their care.

You are the one that used the word 'Uncle', a relationship of some sort is implied unless you think this youth just goes around seeking help and advice from complete strangers. It is also necessary to realistically fully address the proposed scenario, as unrealistic as it is. Otherwise, my legal and realistically possible options end with simply turning the boy over to CPS.

When I use the word "confused" while speaking of youth, it involves having homosexual desires or gender identity issues (they are identifying as a member of the opposite sex).

In Oregon (and as I recall some other states as well) a 15 year old can have an abortion or go through gender reassignment surgery without parental consent (I talked about this several times in past posts and can link evidence if you desire). If 15 year old's are considered mature enough to make those destructive decisions, which will forever change their lives for the worse, why can't a 15 year old talk to a Christian counselor without the consent of his LGBT/pro LGBT parents or guardian?

I don't personally approve of leaving parents out of such things so I can't speak to what Oregan does. I assume there is some sort of due process involved. And don't bother telling me about it as it is irrelevant to how I would handle the situation which is what you asked for.

If you are going to say I have no legal or family responsibility for the boy, I will not take a 15-year-old to see a counselor I know nothing about without his parent's consent. So the best I can legally, morally and ethically do in answer to your scenario is take the boy to CPS and let them handle it.

Tricare works with the Dept. of Defense, which has been shown to be very pro LGBT.

Defense Department Observes LGBT Pride Month
https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1201524/defense-department-observes-lgbt-pride-month/

Tricare also supplies hormones for men and women with gender dysphoria, and in some cases does genital mutilation surgery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricare
https://tricare.mil/CoveredServices/IsItCovered/GenderDysphoriaServices

Did you already know that?

As a retired veteran, Tricare is my healthcare service provider. If the boy is my dependent, it is his as well. Thus they would be my starting point for obtaining health care. And as I stated, with a minor dependent, any care he gets I would be involved in selecting and approving.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Whoever I take him too will have to pass muster by me.

Before I reply to both of Kit the Coyote's response to my scenarios regarding the 15 year old boy raised by two proud and unrepentant homosexual males that wanted therapy to help him understand and possibly overcome his same sex desires, I would like to learn more about Kit.

First of all Kit, let me thank you for your honesty about yourself in the forum where we first met. While you were honest, you were also somewhat vague, so I would like to ask you some questions about what you said so that I, and others who aren't familiar with bisexuality, can understand the "B" in the LGBT acronym better.

I copied and pasted the 4 following statements verbatim from the forum where we debated. I took the liberty of numbering them so that my questions can be directly referenced to each statement.


1) Quote by Kit the Coyote:
I became a civil libertarian long before that because I believe in freedom and liberty, you know that whole American dream thing.


2)Quote by Kit the Coyote:
Happily married bisexual with children, thank you but then we have already established you have difficultly with the idea that there are healthy well adjusted LGBT folks about.


3)Quote by Kit the Coyote:
If you want to blame something, blame the Sears and Roebuck catalog. That is where I started noticing that the male underwear models were as interesting as the female ones.
Now I forgive you here because it is clear you have this mental thing that seems to blind you to the idea that some LGBT folks might be well adjusted.

4)Quote by Kit the Coyote:
My caught in a lie, I never said I was a heterosexual and I am happily and monogamously married.
My wife and I have a traditional monogamous marriage, so no concerns about sharing. Laughs.

Here are my questions:


1). Can the ideology of a civil libertarian be summed up with these words from the Libertarian Party Platform of 2016 (and every LP platform prior to 2016)? :

"As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.
We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.
Consequently, we defend each person’s right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power.

… We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose."
https://www.lp.org/platform/

2). Tell us more about bisexuality, i.e. is there an 'on/off' switch where one day they're sexually attracted to the opposite sex and the next they're sexually attracted to the same sex, or is the sexual attraction to the opposite and same sex reside with the bisexual daily?

3). This is the second time that you used the term "LGBT folks". What makes you an "LGBT folk"?


4). If you've been physically faithful to your wife (and kudos for doing so), what makes you a bisexual? Do you have sexual fantasies about other men or is there just a same sex erotic attraction?


And lastly: Does your wife know and if so, how does she feel about your bisexuality?

Thanks again for your honesty Kit, and I hope that your answers can help me and others understand bisexuality better and how it fits into the LGBT movement.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

...In Oregon (and as I recall some other states as well) a 15 year old can have an abortion or go through gender reassignment surgery without parental consent (I talked about this several times in past posts and can link evidence if you desire). If 15 year old's are considered mature enough to make those destructive decisions, which will forever change their lives for the worse, why can't a 15 year old talk to a Christian counselor without the consent of his LGBT/pro LGBT parents or guardian?

I don't personally approve of leaving parents out of such things so I can't speak to what Oregan does.

Funny, numerous US States are denying (i.e. "leaving parents out") parents the decision to help their child who has homosexual desires or gender identity confusion to seek therapy from certified/licensed therapists, but you don't have a 'problem' with that.

As seen by this CDC chart, those youth are at a disproportionate risk of contracting an incurable disease that most likely will cut their lifespan short.

Also keep in mind that a high percentage of those youth who engage in homosexual acts aren't even aware that they're infected with HIV.

More than half of all youths infected -- 60 percent -- don't even realize they have the disease, the new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention showed.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-hiv-rates-high-among-young-gay-men-many-unaware-theyre-infected/

But wait, there's more! (to look forward to if a youth engages in homosexuality).

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Good morning Aar...ahem Arthur. The answer to your question is very simple and can be found in Matthew 22:37-40

Note that those are commandments handed down by the Son of God/God in the flesh to His followers, not suggestions.

Speaking of verses from Matthew: It's time to get ready for Church.

Matthew 18:20 ...

But "Uncle" aCW. The first passage admonishes your actions as deliberately lying about and misrepresenting people doesn't fulfil love but goes against it. You've recently been banned off a Christian forum for such dishonesty and behaviour. How do you justify that?

During Kit and my ongoing discussions, I'm going to ask him what he thinks of people who wholeheartedly approve of homosexual behavior and the LGBT agenda, but are adamant that they don't engage in the behavior themselves.
I'm going to ask Kit (who isn't ashamed to admit that he is bisexual) if he thinks that adamant proclamation is harmful to the LGBT cause because it comes across as not wanting to be identified with something that is not only a sexual perversion, but a deadly one at that. I'm interested in what Kit has to say about that, hopefully we'll get around to that topic soon.

 

[Kit the Coyote]

Before I reply to both of Kit the Coyote's response to my scenarios regarding the 15 year old boy raised by two proud and unrepentant homosexual males that wanted therapy to help him understand and possibly overcome his same sex desires, I would like to learn more about Kit.

First of all Kit, let me thank you for your honesty about yourself in the forum where we first met. While you were honest, you were also somewhat vague, so I would like to ask you some questions about what you said so that I, and others who aren't familiar with bisexuality, can understand the "B" in the LGBT acronym better.

I copied and pasted the 4 following statements verbatim from the forum where we debated. I took the liberty of numbering them so that my questions can be directly referenced to each statement.


1) Quote by Kit the Coyote:
I became a civil libertarian long before that because I believe in freedom and liberty, you know that whole American dream thing.


2)Quote by Kit the Coyote:
Happily married bisexual with children, thank you but then we have already established you have difficultly with the idea that there are healthy well adjusted LGBT folks about.


3)Quote by Kit the Coyote:
If you want to blame something, blame the Sears and Roebuck catalog. That is where I started noticing that the male underwear models were as interesting as the female ones.
Now I forgive you here because it is clear you have this mental thing that seems to blind you to the idea that some LGBT folks might be well adjusted.

4)Quote by Kit the Coyote:
My caught in a lie, I never said I was a heterosexual and I am happily and monogamously married.
My wife and I have a traditional monogamous marriage, so no concerns about sharing. Laughs.

Here are my questions:


1). Can the ideology of a civil libertarian be summed up with these words from the Libertarian Party Platform of 2016 (and every LP platform prior to 2016)? :

"As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.
We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.
Consequently, we defend each person’s right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power.

… We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose."
https://www.lp.org/platform/

Summed up, no. I am not a big L Libertarian. I agree with a lot of the principles of the libertarian movement but find that the party takes things too far mainly because of some of the nuts it attracts *laughs*.

I agree with much of what is stated above but also recognize that we are social creatures and need society to achieve the best in us. Government is the tool of society.

When I say civil libertarian I am recognizing that government is important in protecting the civil rights of everyone including minorities.

I can go into this more but will just say that I think small government is better but no government is bad. A primary function of government is to protect the civil rights of individuals.

2). Tell us more about bisexuality, i.e. is there an 'on/off' switch where one day they're sexually attracted to the opposite sex and the next they're sexually attracted to the same sex, or is the sexual attraction to the opposite and same sex reside with the bisexual daily?

No there is no 'on/off' switch or flipping back and forth, attractions don't work that way. My attractions work the same as everybody else's does, it just is not limited to the opposite gender.

3). This is the second time that you used the term "LGBT folks". What makes you an "LGBT folk"?

Folks who are in the group LGBT.

4). If you've been physically faithful to your wife (and kudos for doing so), what makes you a bisexual? Do you have sexual fantasies about other men or is there just a same sex erotic attraction?

I am not going to discuss my fantasies or other personal details with you. They are none of your business. There is this belief I run into that being bisexual means you must be having sex with both genders constantly. This is a mistaken idea that comes from people on the outside trying to push what they think it is on folks. My attractions work the same as everyone elses, they are not just limited to women.

And lastly: Does your wife know and if so, how does she feel about your bisexuality?

Yes, we have discussed it and I am very open about it. She accepts that it is part of what I am. I don't think any person is entirely comfortable with the knowledge that their spouse has attractions for other people but it is a fact of life, such attractions cannot be simply turned off because you are married. If you think otherwise you are simply not being honest with yourself.

The most important thing is she trusts me and I trust her. I love her all the more for that and it is something I will not betray. And before someone chimes in with their opinion, she is the one who defines what is a betrayal not any of you.

Thanks again for your honesty Kit, and I hope that your answers can help me and others understand bisexuality better and how it fits into the LGBT movement.

You are welcome, I do endeavor to honest.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I copied and pasted the 4 following statements verbatim from the forum where we debated. I took the liberty of numbering them so that my questions can be directly referenced to each statement.

1) Quote by Kit the Coyote:
I became a civil libertarian long before that because I believe in freedom and liberty, you know that whole American dream thing.


2)Quote by Kit the Coyote:
Happily married bisexual with children, thank you but then we have already established you have difficultly with the idea that there are healthy well adjusted LGBT folks about.


3)Quote by Kit the Coyote:
If you want to blame something, blame the Sears and Roebuck catalog. That is where I started noticing that the male underwear models were as interesting as the female ones.
Now I forgive you here because it is clear you have this mental thing that seems to blind you to the idea that some LGBT folks might be well adjusted.

4)Quote by Kit the Coyote:
My caught in a lie, I never said I was a heterosexual and I am happily and monogamously married.
My wife and I have a traditional monogamous marriage, so no concerns about sharing. Laughs.

Here are my questions:


1). Can the ideology of a civil libertarian be summed up with these words from the Libertarian Party Platform of 2016 (and every LP platform prior to 2016)? :

"As Libertarians, ...

… We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose...without interference from government or any authoritarian power.

https://www.lp.org/platform/

2). Tell us more about bisexuality, i.e. is there an 'on/off' switch where one day they're sexually attracted to the opposite sex and the next they're sexually attracted to the same sex, or is the sexual attraction to the opposite and same sex reside with the bisexual daily?

3). This is the second time that you used the term "LGBT folks". What makes you an "LGBT folk"?


4). If you've been physically faithful to your wife (and kudos for doing so), what makes you a bisexual? Do you have sexual fantasies about other men or is there just a same sex erotic attraction?


And lastly: Does your wife know and if so, how does she feel about your bisexuality?

Thanks again for your honesty Kit, and I hope that your answers can help me and others understand bisexuality better and how it fits into the LGBT movement.

Summed up, no. I am not a big L Libertarian. I agree with a lot of the principles of the libertarian movement but find that the party takes things too far mainly because of some of the nuts it attracts *laughs*.

I condensed what I had copy and pasted from the LP platform to this:

As Libertarians, ...

… We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose...without interference from government or any authoritarian power.


Would you agree with that core philosophy that individuals exercise sole dominion of their own lives and that they are free to use it as they please (as in the case of homosexuality) without interference from government or any authoritarian power (I've always thought that the latter words referred to God)?

I agree with much of what is stated above but also recognize that we are social creatures and need society to achieve the best in us. Government is the tool of society.
When I say civil libertarian I am recognizing that government is important in protecting the civil rights of everyone including minorities.

I can go into this more but will just say that I think small government is better but no government is bad. A primary function of government is to protect the civil rights of individuals.

The Apostle Paul wrote in Romans 13:4 : "For the one in authority is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."


The Apostle Peter wrote similar words in 1 Peter 2: 13-17

We both agree that government is a tool of society designed to achieve the best in us. We have to come to a conclusion which is better: A government run by secular humanist man where he has "dominion over his or her own life" , or one that follows the ideology/doctrine of God's Word as seen in Holy Scripture.

2). Tell us more about bisexuality, i.e. is there an 'on/off' switch where one day they're sexually attracted to the opposite sex and the next they're sexually attracted to the same sex, or is the sexual attraction to the opposite and same sex reside with the bisexual daily?

No there is no 'on/off' switch or flipping back and forth, attractions don't work that way. My attractions work the same as everybody else's does, it just is not limited to the opposite gender.

If you don't mind me saying, that sound's very confusing. While walking down the street you see a beautiful woman and moments later a handsome man and are sexually attracted (perhaps even aroused) by both.

3). This is the second time that you used the term "LGBT folks". What makes you an "LGBT folk"?

Folks who are in the group LGBT.

I just wanted to confirm that you identify as a member of the Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender movement and embrace most if not all of their ideology and agenda.

4). If you've been physically faithful to your wife (and kudos for doing so), what makes you a bisexual? Do you have sexual fantasies about other men or is there just a same sex erotic attraction?

I am not going to discuss my fantasies or other personal details with you. They are none of your business. There is this belief I run into that being bisexual means you must be having sex with both genders constantly. This is a mistaken idea that comes from people on the outside trying to push what they think it is on folks. My attractions work the same as everyone elses, they are not just limited to women.

I wouldn't even think about you discussing your sexual fantasies with me or anyone else that isn't close to you. I just wanted to confirm that you have sexual fantasies for other males, and it appears that you do. Yes or no?

Yes, we have discussed it and I am very open about it. She accepts that it is part of what I am. I don't think any person is entirely comfortable with the knowledge that their spouse has attractions for other people but it is a fact of life, such attractions cannot be simply turned off because you are married. If you think otherwise you are simply not being honest with yourself.

The most important thing is she trusts me and I trust her. I love her all the more for that and it is something I will not betray. And before someone chimes in with their opinion, she is the one who defines what is a betrayal not any of you.

There are two 'camps' out there that disagree with you. From the Christian perspective you're being psychologically and emotionally unfaithful to your wife and are in need of spiritual and perhaps even psychological therapy to overcome your homosexual desires.


Your LGBT movement, and I've posted many articles where they've said this, feels that you're lying to yourself by not physically engaging in your same sex desires. Your LGBT movement has given accolades to men who have left their wives and families to pursue their homosexual desires. While no one is expecting you to leave your wife and family because you admit that you are sexually attracted to both females and males, your LGBT movement would expect you at least pursue your homosexual desires. In fact, the core philosophy of libertarianism agrees with that as well:


"We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose."


Let me ask you this Kit: If monogamy (which is a Judeo-Christian principle stated throughout the Old and New Testaments) is so important to you, why isn't overcoming your same sex desires so that you can be psychologically and emotionally faithful to your loving wife?

Again, thanks for your honesty, and after we finish this important discussion, I'll respond to the two scenarios.

 

[Arthur Brain]

During Kit and my ongoing discussions, I'm going to ask him what he thinks of people who wholeheartedly approve of homosexual behavior and the LGBT agenda, but are adamant that they don't engage in the behavior themselves.
I'm going to ask Kit (who isn't ashamed to admit that he is bisexual) if he thinks that adamant proclamation is harmful to the LGBT cause because it comes across as not wanting to be identified with something that is not only a sexual perversion, but a deadly one at that. I'm interested in what Kit has to say about that, hopefully we'll get around to that topic soon.

Simple enough question for anyone to answer who cares about civil liberty. Homosexuals aren't committing a crime and they shouldn't be persecuted by either the state or religious cranks. See how easy it is to give a straight answer to a question?

I don't know what you were recently banned for as I don't have access to the woodshed but I sincerely hope it was for that lying crap you made about Alwight.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

During Kit and my ongoing discussions, I'm going to ask him what he thinks of people who wholeheartedly approve of homosexual behavior and the LGBT agenda, but are adamant that they don't engage in the behavior themselves.
I'm going to ask Kit (who isn't ashamed to admit that he is bisexual) if he thinks that adamant proclamation is harmful to the LGBT cause because it comes across as not wanting to be identified with something that is not only a sexual perversion, but a deadly one at that. I'm interested in what Kit has to say about that, hopefully we'll get around to that topic soon.

Simple enough question for anyone to answer who cares about civil liberty. Homosexuals aren't committing a crime and they shouldn't be persecuted by either the state or religious cranks. See how easy it is to give a straight answer to a question?

While I won't go into how homosexuality was a felony in the US up until circa 1973 (about the same time the slaughter of unborn babies was legalized), and that throughout the 2,000 years of western civilization was a crime as well, my point that I will be discussing with Kit is why someone who is a devout defender of homosexuality and the LGBT agenda would go out of their way to make it known that they're not.

It seems to me that is sending a message that 'Gay is NOT ok'.

We'll see what Kit has to say about that when we get around to discussing that topic.

I don't know what you were recently banned for as I don't have access to the woodshed but I sincerely hope it was for that lying crap you made about Alwight.

Funny, you've stated that you have access to the chat room (which apparently as a lifetime member of TOL I have been banned from for questioning people about their loyalty to Donald Trump) but not the woodshed. Hmmmmmmm.

Why don't you private message your good buddy WizardofOz (he's my bestest friend in the whoooooole wide world don't cha know) and ask him as he was the one that complained.

 

[drbrumley]

The Biggest Ever
Laurence M. Vance


The biggest ever gay pride parade just took place in Israel. “The Tel Aviv Municipality said over 250,000 people celebrated at the city’s 20th Gay Pride Parade, an event that draws people from around the world to party at the Israeli beach city that has built an image of an oasis of tolerance for the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community.” Tel Aviv claims to be the world’s “most gay-friendly city.” “Tens of thousands of tourists visit Israel for Tel Aviv’s pride week each year.”
Now, I don’t care if you are L, G, B, T, I, or Q, just so long as your actions are peaceful, voluntary, and don’t aggress against the person or property of others. My point in posting this is because many conservative Christians (of which I am one) are always talking about Israel, Israel, Israel being such a great country. They ignore gay pride events like this while at the same time strongly condemning gay pride events in the United States. I have news for my brethren: the country of Israel and the government of Israel are just as corrupt as the country of the United States and the government of the United States.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I'll address parts of Libertarian Laurence Vance's article with some questions; perhaps drbrumley can answer them since Vance isn't here to answer them himself.

The Biggest Ever
Laurence M. Vance

...Now, I don’t care if you are L, G, B, T, I, or Q, just so long as your actions are peaceful, voluntary, and don’t aggress against the person or property of others. My point in posting this is because many conservative Christians (of which I am one)...

How is it possible Mr. Vance to be a "conservative Christian" if you don't care about sexual sins? The standard for human sexuality is talked about throughout the Old Testament and New Testament, and nowhere does God/the Son of God/God in the flesh say that as long as sinful behavior is done in a "peaceful and voluntary" manner that it's acceptable.

...are always talking about Israel, Israel, Israel being such a great country. They ignore gay pride events like this while at the same time strongly condemning gay pride events in the United States. I have news for my brethren: the country of Israel and the government of Israel are just as corrupt as the country of the United States and the government of the United States.

I've pointed out that Israel (due to amongst other things: pride parades and allowing homosexuals to openly serve in the military) no longer fully embraces Judeo doctrine when it comes to human sexuality.

That being said: If you "don't care" about LGBTQ parades either in Israel or the US as long as their done peacefully and voluntarily (I doubt that the tens of thousands of children taken to them by their two daddies, two mommies or their LGBT allies "volunteered") what is your problem with Israel? Obviously it's not that they embrace homosexuality as a country.

 

[drbrumley]

I'll address parts of Libertarian Laurence Vance's article with some questions; perhaps drbrumley can answer them since Vance isn't here to answer them himself.





How is it possible Mr. Vance to be a "conservative Christian" if you don't care about sexual sins? The standard for human sexuality is talked about throughout the Old Testament and New Testament, and nowhere does God/the Son of God/God in the flesh say that as long as sinful behavior is done in a "peaceful and voluntary" manner that it's acceptable.





I've pointed out that Israel (due to amongst other things: pride parades and allowing homosexuals to openly serve in the military) no longer fully embraces Judeo doctrine when it comes to human sexuality.

That being said: If you "don't care" about LGBTQ parades either in Israel or the US as long as their done peacefully and voluntarily (I doubt that the tens of thousands of children taken to them by their two daddies, two mommies or their LGBT allies "volunteered") what is your problem with Israel? Obviously it's not that they embrace homosexuality as a country.

Obviously you must not read well, or you read things in (that's actually it} it doesn't say anything good about gay pride parades, here or anywhere else for that matter. It's public, aggressing against my person and or property. That's the point. But your interest is peeking into others bedrooms. We get it.

 

[Arthur Brain]

While I won't go into how homosexuality was a felony in the US up until circa 1973 (about the same time the slaughter of unborn babies was legalized), and that throughout the 2,000 years of western civilization was a crime as well, my point that I will be discussing with Kit is why someone who is a devout defender of homosexuality and the LGBT agenda would go out of their way to make it known that they're not.

It seems to me that is sending a message that 'Gay is NOT ok'.

We'll see what Kit has to say about that when we get around to discussing that topic.

People haven't "gone out of their way" to let you know that they aren't gay, they may have told you often enough after you've consistently lied and invented lurid scenario after scenario about straight posters being homosexual and involved in "trysts" however. It's only a disconnect to cranks, closet cases, people who are thick and outright wingnuts. You qualify on all counts.

Funny, you've stated that you have access to the chat room (which apparently as a lifetime member of TOL I have been banned from for questioning people about their loyalty to Donald Trump) but not the woodshed. Hmmmmmmm.

For the umpteenth time. I don't have "access" to the chatbox. I can see the thing when logged in but I can't post in it as I've explained to you before.

:doh:

I'm not surprised you've been banned from it cos it's the chatbox, not the spambox...

Why don't you private message your good buddy WizardofOz (he's my bestest friend in the whoooooole wide world don't cha know) and ask him as he was the one that complained.

You've told me all I needed to know, it was in regards to your sleazy little garbage about Alwight then. Good, you deserved the boot.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I'll address parts of Libertarian Laurence Vance's article with some questions; perhaps drbrumley can answer them since Vance isn't here to answer them himself.

Originally Posted by drbrumley
The Biggest Ever
Laurence M. Vance

...Now, I don’t care if you are L, G, B, T, I, or Q, just so long as your actions are peaceful, voluntary, and don’t aggress against the person or property of others. My point in posting this is because many conservative Christians (of which I am one)...

How is it possible Mr. Vance to be a "conservative Christian" if you don't care about sexual sins? The standard for human sexuality is talked about throughout the Old Testament and New Testament, and nowhere does God/the Son of God/God in the flesh say that as long as sinful behavior is done in a "peaceful and voluntary" manner that it's acceptable.

Obviously you must not read well, or you read things in (that's actually it} it doesn't say anything good about gay pride parades, here or anywhere else for that matter.

If Libertarian Laurence Vance doesn't have a problem with homosexuality, other that what appears to be a pubic display of sexual debauchery (and massive child indoctrination, which Vance didn't mention the latter in his article), how is it that he can call himself a Christian? I should note that there aren't various types of Christianity, i.e. a liberal Christian or a moderate Christian. Christianity can only consist of those who are followers of Christ, those who embrace and "conserve" His teachings as seen in Holy Scripture. Needless to say, the term "conservative Christian" is redundant.

It's public, aggressing against my person and or property. That's the point.

Yes, it's public and like every other parade it's done on public streets and permits are required. I don't see how these acts of sexual debauchery and child indoctrination "aggress against your person or property".

Explain.

But your interest is peeking into others bedrooms. We get it.

That's what righteous (Godly) laws do, i.e. just because someone is committing an immoral/unlawful act on their private property doesn't make them immune to criminal laws.

Lawrence v Texas ruled on that, so it's perfectly legal for sodomy (and the misery, disease and death that goes with it) to take place in bedrooms.

 

[Kit the Coyote]

Funny, numerous US States are denying (i.e. "leaving parents out") parents the decision to help their child who has homosexual desires or gender identity confusion to seek therapy from certified/licensed therapists, but you don't have a 'problem' with that.

No parents are being left out of that process, your comparison is weak or silly at best. They are still free to decide their children's care from reputable treatments.

And we have been over this already, I am in favor in government applying reasonable regulation of medical treatments that are considered unsafe. Did you know that in some Caribbean countries, parents take their children to Voodoo priests for mental health care? I assume you would not care to see that in the US? If so then you too approve of government regulating health care for safety.

As I've said over and over again, if you want conversion therapy to be available to minors have the AACC and other groups do the HARD work of proving they are safer than the potential harm they do and get the science updated.

As seen by this CDC chart, those youth are at a disproportionate risk of contracting an incurable disease that most likely will cut their lifespan short.

Also, keep in mind that a high percentage of those youth who engage in homosexual acts aren't even aware that they're infected with HIV.

More than half of all youths infected -- 60 percent -- don't even realize they have the disease, the new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention showed.

But wait, there's more! (to look forward to if a youth engages in homosexuality).

And again as I have said over and over, it is not a matter of how bad homosexuality is. It is a matter of does this proposed cure work and does it do more good than harm. Throwing charts at me about how bad sexually transmitted diseases are, is not going to prove whether or not conversion therapy works. If it is as ineffective as the science indicates, promoting it only helps to make those disease stats worse.