Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
A lot of people have posted in this 4 part thread over the past 5 years. You stick out in my mind as one of those that argued vehemently against the recriminalization of this particular behavior and the agenda that goes along with it.
Sigh. No, I most certainly did not. I was attempting to clarify how difficult it is in a non-Theocracy to do such a thing, especially in arrears. I made the same appeals for effective answers then as now. I have never had any other position than that which I continue to hold. I have never been against criminalization of behavioral sexual perversion, even if I didn't express it clearly enough for your zeal, etc....
Yet an 'edjumacated' man such as yourself should know that the laws that currently are on the books and had been prior to various states overturning them or unconstitutional judicial activist SCOTUS rulings were made in a country that never has been a theocracy. In fact I showed how the LGBTQ movement over several decades got to where they are today. Why do you believe that only a theocratic state can overturn such laws as opposed to an educated populace? Also keep in mind that laws by themselves can't do any good unless cultural mores' accompany them.
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I'm somewhat impressed with your conversation with Catholic Crusader, but then a 5 year old could beat that guy in a debate.
It wasn't to impress you; and I wasn't debating CC, I was having a discussion to clarify where we were talking past each other.
Bask in those accolades while you can, cuz with you being a Donald Trump supporter (as you've pointed out below) it's all downhill for you from here.
And it was also about where I think he is misunderstanding you, since you're not talking about criminalizing internal struggles of perversion but of actual sexual activity. Sodomy, not fantasy or inclination. Correct me if I have misrepresented you.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense should know that you can't legislate laws against thoughts or desires, only behaviors (and that includes a well orchestrated agenda by the LGBTQ movement). There is no "misunderstanding" between me and Catholic Crusader. As shown in your earlier post and in the latter part of mine, he's a sexual anarchist. Catholic Crusader is a grown man that follows politics, he should know better.
Onto your earlier post:
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You had your opportunity to make great change when the Republican primaries were taking place.
I'm not talking about a one vote "stand alone basis". You could have been educating people in your Church, your neighbors, friends, and sharing Ted Cruz's strong Judeo-Christian stance on the internet, a medium that goes out to potentially millions of people.
I did that and still do that. I spend my life addressing both the exegesis of theological truth as orthodoxy, and every facet of practical orthopraxy including socio-political activism on whatever level is possible for individual Believers walking out their faith.
Everyone I know agrees with your basic premise. There is not one person in my church, teaching venues, or personal circle that disagree. All would amen what you and I both have said in this thread. My direct peers are all in support of re/criminalization of aberrant and abhorant sexually perverse activity, including marriage between anyone but a man and woman according to the divine created order by God Himself.
5 words that you need to remember when talking to your peers in the Church:
"Civil Government: The Neglected Ministry".
http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/issue08/civil_government.htm
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The Lord established three fundamental institutions for the governance of men: family, the Church, and civil government. While these three institutions are separate spheres of authority under God, they clearly have mutually supportive, interwoven functions. The performance — or lack of performance — of each inescapably influences the functioning of the other two."
When civil government fails, the Church and the family fail. We're in this sad state of affairs because we as a nation have failed to elect God-fearing men and women into public office.
I made this topic the most important post in Part 1, if you're willing to discuss this important issue, please, let's do.
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Had Senator Ted Cruz been nominated
Cruz stood by Kentucky Court clerk Kim Davis' side when the LGBTQ movement was attacking her. He stood by the legislators of NC and their "bathroom bill", etc. etc. etc. Some "snake" huh?
On TPP and other lobby-based non-sexual issues, yes he's a snake in the grass like EVERY elected partisan politician. I appreciated his stances you've outlined, but that doesn't mean he's a pristine candidate in every respect. There is no such thing.
He was the best of the rotten bunch. Key word now is "was".
When all else fails, read Senator Cruz's own words:
A Note to Conservatives on Trade Agreements
https://www.tedcruz.org/a-note-to-conservatives-on-trade-agreements/
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and elected President,
I know the corruption all too well, yet we continue to keep trying until Jesus returns or "the tree of liberty is refreshed".
With all due respect, I don't think you do at all.
Christine Gregoire-Dino Rossi governor race (round 1, dead people voting, etc.).
If you addressed the Fed and the duality of USA/US citizenship, and their relation to the Military Industrial Complex and the IMF, etc. I might change my tune. I think you know about one large and diverse particular kind of the corruption, and that's a good thing; but I doubt you're aware of the worldwide implications. Maybe I'm wrong. I actually hope so.
Hence the reason I was so excited about constitutional scholar Ted Cruz as President. He knows that the above are unconstitutional and would have done something to address those issues.
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...If you know something about Cruz that I don't know, please share (and I've studied the man's politics quite thoroughly).
Look at his position on the TPP and other more financial and political issues related to huge-money lobby interests, and you'll see my issues. Morality covers more than just sexuality, even though that's the main thrust in culture to undermine the Christian faith and family.
TPP addressed above. That being said: If a political candidate (such as Donald Trump) can't get something as basic as the right to life and human sexuality correct, what makes you think that he can get other moral issues correct?
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I addressed that when Trumpette Patrick Jane brought that up the second the lackluster endorsement occurred. Cruz didn't change his moral stance on issues, he did what needed to be done so that he can continue to do great things as a US Senator and hopefully a future Presidential candidate. I hold no animosity against him.
Nor do I. And I never indicated he changed his stance. But that's the same position many are taking in regard to voting for Trump now instead of Killary. They're doing what needs to be done so that they can continue to do great things as citizens.
You're forgetting one thing (and we'll move this conversation from Ted Cruz to the current nominee Donald Trump) :
You can't trust a sociopath/psychopath to be a man of his word.
I've spent the past several months exposing Donald Trump. If you want to meet people like Donald Trump (and I'm dead serious when I say this), go into a State Hospital in your respective State and visit the patients there. Donald Trump doesn't belong in the Oval Office, he belongs in an institution for the criminally insane.
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Unfortunately the sexual predator got the nod and he spends his time (when he isn't harassing or physically assaulting women) inviting drag queens into the women's restroom at any Trump property.
And even with all that and him being the groomed other side of the same coin to the lesbian, he's a far better choice than her. And Pence, regardless of how he caved in Indiana to the rainbow threat, is light years better that Kaine-is-not-Able. He's a serpent of serpents.
I exposed Mike Pence in an earlier post as well (not only did he back down on religious liberty, he's done other despicable acts as Governor of Indiana).
I might have had an ounce of respect for Mike Pence if he disowned Trump after learning of his sexual predator past, but not now.
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Nor is Trump. Just because he's running on a Political Party Platform that embraces Judeo-Christian values, doesn't mean that he believes in that platform. In fact he looooooooooathes it and the people who wrote it.
You act as if there's a real binary choice. There isn't. And Johnson is a full-bore liberal (and almost as senseless as Biden to boot). Castle doesn't stand a chance, and that's too bad but reality.
You don't fix a broken nation by electing someone as sick and evil as Donald Trump is. He's a power hungry tyrant who has no use, nor will have use for the Constitution of the United States (and this is not just my opinion, I've backed it with facts throughout this thread. Take for instance his admiration of the brutal Communist Chinese for the way they handled the freedom protestors in Tiananmen Square).
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If you truly want to get involved in this culture war, drop Donald Trump like the proverbial hot potato and get involved and make true changes the next time around (i.e the next election).
I've told you what needs to be done at the state and local level: vote in good God fearing men and women.
Done it. Do it. Gonna do it. That's not enough. And I'll find more and better ways to do more, even if you have no more suggestions, etc.
I highly suggest that you don't set a precedent by voting for an ultra liberal (which Donald Trump is socially and economically) who is running on a conservative Party ticket.
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Now you tell me what needs to be done at the federal level in this current election.
I'm doing it, to the extent that I can. And I'll still be pulling for Trump over Clinton, because at least he'll do things more slowly with an eye toward certain levels of people-pleasing for personal attention. Hillary will fast-track every abomination known to man in the first 100 days after taking her lying oath.
I don't see what your beef is with me. Everything about me should be very transparent.
My beef with you is that I'm still suspicious of your intent here. It's been proven by your intent to vote for a power hungry socialist sexual deviant for President.
If you should choose to return and continue this discussion, let's make it solely about Donald Trump's past words and actions, but more importantly what he's said and done in the past year.
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