The you must be saved to be saved doctrine is an insult to human reasoning and intelligence.
"WHOSOEVER That Calls Upon the Name of the Lord Shall be Saved" Romans 10:13
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The you must be saved to be saved doctrine is an insult to human reasoning and intelligence.
beloved57
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A lost person can't believe what is hid from them.
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No where in the Bible does it say that Jesus only died for the elect.
If you would read your Bible you would see that it says Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.
beloved57
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Salvation was promised to Israel, that is the elect Isa 45:17!
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You believe that God is devisive and hides things from people. The Gospel has gone out into the whole world so that "Whosoever that calls on the name of the Lord can be saved" Romans 10:13.
beloved57
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The scripture says that the Gospel is hid to them that are lost.
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The Gospel is not hid to those who want to be saved by Christ. It is hid to Christ rejecters like yourself.
beloved57
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The scripture says that the Gospel is hid to them that are lost. A lost person can't believe the Gospel.
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How do you account for the 8,000 Christ rejecting, Christ crucifying, Jews that heard the Gospel and were converted to Christ on the day of Pentecost?
beloved57
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And who is lost?
beloved57
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And who didn't Christ die for?
beloved57
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Who are the lost?
beloved57
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I just answered that. Them Christ did not die for.
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Your reasoning is circular, therefore invalid.
John 3:16 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Hebrews 2:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
CherubRam
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Pagan Christians do not like to use God's or Christ's real name. I presume you are a Pagan.
CherubRam
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Christ died on a stake, not a cross. A cross is a Pagan symbol. Are you also a Pagan?
The Bible refers to the Christ as Jesus. You can presume anything that you want.