Who is the Lord of the Sabbath

[Jerry Shugart]

When will you ever learn, that the Hebrew day did not begin in the morning, but when the sun set on the daylight hours of the previous day. And the Israelites left Egypt as the sun set on the 14 day of Passover, which was the beginning of the 15th day and the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread.

The Passover was celebrated on the 14th day:

"And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD" (Num.28:16).

With this in mind we can know that the passover was already over by the time the 15th rolled around:

"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the morrow after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).​

That means that a new day did not begin in the evening:

"And they kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the first month at even in the wilderness of Sinai: according to all that the LORD commanded Moses, so did the children of Israel" (Num.9:5).​

 

[jamie]

It was a high Sabbath annual and weekly...it was not a whole day of preparation but a preparation for the passing over at midnight....

I'm a very simple person, not well educated ... can you simplify your post?

I'll phrase my question differently, at what time of day was Jesus buried according to scripture?

And how about a scriptural validation.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

I'll phrase my question differently, at what time of day was Jesus buried according to scripture?

What you have to understand is that the Sabbath rest began in the evening of a calendar day and that rest carried over unto the evening of the next calendar day. The calendar day did not change in the evening but instead in the morning.

Here we can sse that the calendar began in the morning, as the dawning of the sun:

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre" (Mt.28:1).​

The two Marys came to the tomb as the sun was coming up in the morning (Mk.16:1-2).

 

[jamie]

What you have to understand is that the Sabbath rest began in the evening of a calendar day and that rest carried over unto the evening of the next calendar day. The calendar day did not change in the evening but instead in the morning.

Here we can sse that the calendar began in the morning, as the dawning of the sun:

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre" (Mt.28:1).​

The two Marys came to the tomb as the sun was coming up in the morning (Mk.16:1-2).

OK, I didn't realize this was such a tough question.

At what time of day was Jesus buried according to scripture?

Does anyone know?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

OK, I didn't realize this was such a tough question.

At what time of day was Jesus buried according to scripture?

Does anyone know?

He was placed in the tomb in the evening. What you have to understand is that the Sabbath rest began in the evening of a calendar day and that rest carried over unto the evening of the next calendar day. The calendar day did not change in the evening but instead in the morning.

Here we can sse that the calendar began in the morning, as the dawning of the sun:

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre" (Mt.28:1).​

The two Marys came to the tomb as the sun was coming up in the morning (Mk.16:1-2).

 

[jamie]

He was placed in the tomb in the evening. What you have to understand is that the Sabbath rest began in the evening of a calendar day and that rest carried over unto the evening of the next calendar day. The calendar day did not change in the evening but instead in the morning.

Here we can sse that the calendar began in the morning, as the dawning of the sun:

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre" (Mt.28:1).​

The two Marys came to the tomb as the sun was coming up in the morning (Mk.16:1-2).

Lots and lots of speculation and side-stepping, but it's evident no one can answer the question of what time of day Jesus was buried.

We'll let Luke answer.

This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock where no one had ever lain before.

That day was the Preparation and the Sabbath drew near. (Luke 23:52-54)​

What does the term "drew near" mean in the Greek.

It was the day of preparation and the Sabbath was beginning. (Luke 23:54 NET)​

How did they know the Sabbath was beginning?

 

[jamie]

Here's another question, why were the legs of the two other men broken?

 

[jamie]

Another question, was okay to leave a body hanging overnight?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

It was the day of preparation and the Sabbath was beginning. (Luke 23:54 NET)​

How did they know the Sabbath was beginning?

Because the sun was going down. But you do not even attempt to answer what I said earlier. The sabbath rest began at sunset but the Jewish calendar day begin at the rising of the sun. The Passover was celebrated on the 14th day:

"And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD" (Num.28:16).​

With this in mind we can know that the passover was already over by the time the 15th rolled around:

"And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the morrow after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians" (Num.33:3).​

That means that a new day did not begin in the evening:

"And they kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the first month at even in the wilderness of Sinai: according to all that the LORD commanded Moses, so did the children of Israel" (Num.9:5).
​

The evening came when they began to eat the passover but it remained the 14th calendar day. Therefore, common sense dictates that when that evening came the calendar day did not change but remained the 14th day of the month.

 

[clefty]

I'm a very simple person, not well educated ... can you simplify your post?

I'll phrase my question differently, at what time of day was Jesus buried according to scripture?

And how about a scriptural validation.

They started Friday as the sun went down...hurried as the Sabbath drew on...but even hurrying there was much to do...

They also had to pause their work because the annual Sabbath of passover was also occuring and they were to eat the meal...both according to the commandment

They went back to embalm and bury Him properly after the sabbath and found the tomb empty Sunday morning...

 

[clefty]

OK, I didn't realize this was such a tough question.

At what time of day was Jesus buried according to scripture?

Does anyone know?

He is struggling is true...but it took awhile for Friday night sabbath to catch on...will take awhile to unlearn it

Hope you got your answer...

 

[clefty]

Lots and lots of speculation and side-stepping, but it's evident no one can answer the question of what time of day Jesus was buried.

We'll let Luke answer.

This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock where no one had ever lain before.

That day was the Preparation and the Sabbath drew near. (Luke 23:52-54)​

What does the term "drew near" mean in the Greek.

It was the day of preparation and the Sabbath was beginning. (Luke 23:54 NET)​

How did they know the Sabbath was beginning?

Yup...told ya a lot had to be done to bury Him proper...

No way you are going to bury Him and celebrate Passover and Sabbath all at once certainly not before the sun set...

 

[clefty]

Here's another question, why were the legs of the two other men broken?

To hasten their deaths to get them off the crosses...

 

[jamie]

To hasten their deaths to get them off the crosses...

Was that so the men would not be on the crosses when the Sabbath began?

After that Sabbath was past the women bought spices to anoint the body. (Mark 16:1)

The women prepared the spices and the rested on the weekly Sabbath. (Luke 23:56)

 

[jamie]

They started Friday as the sun went down...

The women bought spices after a Sabbath was past, they prepared the spices and rested on the weekly Sabbath.

The Passover is killed on the 14th, the preparation day and eaten that night after sunset.

The preparation day was for the removal of leavened products before the Feast of Passover began.

The Feast of Passover lasts for seven days during which unleavened bread must be eaten.

Therefore, the Feast of Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread are concurrent from the 15th to the 21st.

Preparation day is when the Passover is killed and then eaten that night which begins the 15th.

Jesus died on the 14th and was buried as the 15th began.

And 72 hours later he was raised as the first day of the weeks began.

 

[jamie]

The preparation day was for the removal of leavened products before the Feast of Passover began.

I usually have a hamburger on the preparation day.

 

[jamie]

The Passover was celebrated on the 14th day:

The Passover was killed on the 14th, properly bled and skinned, and then roasted. It took hours to roast the Passover.

The NT Passover is much simpler. We do not kill a Passover animal and roast it and all that stuff.

I bless the NT Passover symbols of broken bread and wine, eat a little piece of bread and drink the sip of wine.

Simple, and I like simple.

 

[S-word]

He was placed in the tomb in the evening. What you have to understand is that the Sabbath rest began in the evening of a calendar day and that rest carried over unto the evening of the next calendar day. The calendar day did not change in the evening but instead in the morning.

Here we can sse that the calendar began in the morning, as the dawning of the sun:

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre" (Mt.28:1).​

The two Marys came to the tomb as the sun was coming up in the morning (Mk.16:1-2).

The Sabbath was Saturday, which began as the sun set on Friday afternoon, and finished as the sun set on Saturday afternoon, which was the evening that began the day of Sunday, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, who was the wife of Cleophas and mother of Jesus, Joseph and James, came to the tomb on Sunday morning, the day after the Saturday Sabbath.

 

[jamie]

Clefty, does anyone besides you believe the Jews harvested on the Sabbath?

 

[S-word]

JAMIE......The women bought spices after a Sabbath was past, they prepared the spices and rested on the weekly Sabbath.

S-word......CORRECT

Jamie.......The Passover is killed on the 14th, the preparation day and eaten that night after sunset.

S-word.....INCORRECT! The Passover is killed on the day of preparation and eaten that night after sunset, which is the beginning of the day when the Pascal Lambs which had been killed on the day of preparation, were to be eaten.

Jamie..... The preparation day was for the removal of leavened products before the Feast of Passover began.

S-word......John 19: 14; Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about the sixth hour (Midnight). He said to the Jews, “Behold your King!”

John 19: 31; Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.

Jesus was sentenced to death at Midnight on the day of preparation to the Passover. He was nailed to the cross At 9 AM on the day of Preparation to the Passover. AT midday darkness covered the land for three Hours. At 3 PM on the day of preparation to the Passover, Jesus gave up the spirit.

At 6 PM, on the day of Preparation to the Passover: His half brother Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus buried his body in the family tomb of Joseph, which had never been used, then came the evening, in which the Jewish authorities who had Jesus murdered, sat down to eat of the Pascal Lamb.

Jamie....... The Feast of Passover lasts for seven days during which unleavened bread must be eaten.

S-word.....Numbers 28: 16; The Passover festival in honour of the Lord, is to be held on the fourteenth day of the first month.*

Exodus 12: 14; “You must celebrate ‘THIS DAY’*as a religious festival to remind you of what I, the Lord have done, Celebrate it (One day)*for all time to come.

*Numbers 28:17; On the fifteenth day a religious festival begins which lasts seven days, during which, only unleavened bread is to be eaten. On the first and the last day of the seven day festival of unleavened bread, they were to gather for worship and no work was to be done on those days.

Jamie.......Therefore, the Feast of Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread are concurrent from the 15th to the 21st.

S-word....What did Exodus 12: 14; say?

Jamie........ Preparation day and then eaten that night which begins the 15th.

S-word.......The day of Preparation to the Passover is when the Pascal Lamb is killed, it is then eaten in the evening which is the beginning of the Passover day which is also a Sabbath, a day on which no work can be done.

Jamie.......Jesus died on the 14th and was buried as the 15th began.

And 72 hours later he was raised as the first day of the weeks began.

S-word......Jesus died on the day before the Jews sat down early in the evening of Passover to eat of the Lamb that they had slaughtered. And he was raised on Sunday morning after having been dead in the flesh, for three days and three nights.