Who is the Lord of the Sabbath

daqq

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I really do appreciate your contributions on the text...


I only wish more would be mindful to use these names...not take them for naught...

My study as to the Lord also of the Sabbath and all that it entails has only benefited my understanding and increased my desire to know and share more...and sing along to that first hymn of the that early church in the wilderness...

The Son is ever in the bosom of the Father, (to the right hand side).

Says YHWH Elohim the Almighty, "I am the ΩΑ."
(Isa 41:4, 43:10, 43:13, 46:4, 48:12, 52:6, (אני הוא [1QIsaaאני הואה]).
 

clefty

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Did the Hebrews leave Egypt on the morning of the fifteenth?

No after midnight the night of the 14th...by the full moon...

the night portion of the same day the lamb is slain and eaten in the evening portion of the 14th (Lev 7:15) And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning.

(Morning starts the new day 15th)


and the angel passes over at midnight of the 14th then Moses is given message to leave and right after and they are leaving by the full moon

Morning comes the 15th...unleavened bread festival begins as they are passed over the night before the on the 14th
 

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Did the Hebrews leave Egypt on the morning of the fifteenth?

Leviticus 23: 5; The Passover, celebrated to honour the Lord BEGINS at sunset (The sunset, which is the end of the 13th day and the beginning of the 14th day) on the 14th day of the first month.

Leviticus 23: 7; On the fifteenth day (Which begins as the sun sets at the end of the 14th day) the festival of unleavened bread begins, etc.

Numbers 28: 16; The Passover Festival in honour of the Lord, is to be held on the 14 th day of the first month.

Concerning the day of Passover, the Lord says in Exodus 12: 14; “You must celebrate ‘THIS DAY’ as a religious festival to remind you of what I, the Lord have done, Celebrate it (One day)*for all time to come.

Numbers 28: 16; On the fifteenth day a religious festival begins which lasts seven days, during which, only unleavened bread is to be eaten. On the first day of the seven day festival of unleavened bread, (The 15th day of Abib) you are to gather for worship and no work is to be done………………. On the last day (The 21st of Abib) you must meet for worship and do no work.

Numbers 33: 3; the people of Israel left Egypt on the 15th day of the first month of the year, the day AFTER the first Passover.

Deuteronomy 16: 6; Concerning the Passover meal; “Do it at sunset, the time of the day when you left Egypt. Not the day of the Passover, but the time of the day that you left Egypt AFTER the first day of Passover, as revealed in Numbers 33: 3.

Numbers 33: 3; reveals that the people of Israel left Egypt on the day “AFTER” the first Passover, as the sun set on the day of Passover, they left Egypt in full view of the Egyptians who were burying their first born sons, who the Lord had killed in the darkness of the previous night wherein the beginning of that night, the Israelites had eaten the Passover Lambs that had been killed between the two evenings that preceded their Passover meal.

According to the old Israelite time, The first evening was Midday, when the sun begins it descent, and the second evening, was when the sun began to sink below the horizon. Jesus, the reality of the Passover lamb, died at 3 PM between the two evenings of 12 Pm and 6 Pm on the day of preparation to the Passover, the 13th day of the first month.
 

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When did the seven day Feast of Passover begin in Jesus' day?

By the time of Jesus, the Jews had incorporated the Passover day into the seven day festival of unleavened bread.

This is why God had to create an extra day.

John the beloved disciple, describes the last supper, as simply, the last supper that Jesus had with his disciples, and that was in the evening of the 13th day of the first month, the day of preparation to the Passover.

The Jewish day consisted of a 12 hour period of darkness, followed by a 12 hour period pf Light. A day has 12 hours said Jesus, so work while the light is with you.

It was about the sixth hour (Midnight) of the night of preparation to the Passover that Jesus was sentenced to death, the Jewish authorities that night could not enter the palace of Pilate the Gentile as that would have made them ritually unclean and unable to eat of the Passover next evening.

Jesus was then taken away and scourged, then on the third hour (9 AM) of daylight on the day of preparation to the Passover, Jesus was nailed to the cross, at the 12th hour (Midday) Darkness covered the city of Jerusalem for three hours, on the ninth hour (3 PM)Jesus died between the two evenings of the day of preparation to the Passover.

Jesus was buried just as the sun was setting and the Jews were sitting down to their Pascal Lambs that had been Killed, like Jesus, on the day of preparation to the Passover.
 

jamie

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By the time of Jesus, the Jews had incorporated the Passover day into the seven day festival of unleavened bread.

Actually, Ezekiel was written during the Babylonian captivity. Do you not believe Ezekiel's writings were Spirit inspired?

In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, you shall observe the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten. (Ezekiel 45:21)​

The Passover was killed on the afternoon of the fourteenth and eaten after sundown on the Night to be Much Observed at the beginning of the fifteenth.
 

jamie

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Jesus was buried just as the sun was setting and the Jews were sitting down to their Pascal Lambs that had been Killed, like Jesus, on the day of preparation to the Passover.

On what day was Jesus buried?
 

clefty

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Leviticus 23: 5; The Passover, celebrated to honour the Lord BEGINS at sunset (The sunset, which is the end of the 13th day and the beginning of the 14th day) on the 14th day of the first month.

Leviticus 23: 7; On the fifteenth day (Which begins as the sun sets at the end of the 14th day) the festival of unleavened bread begins, etc.

Numbers 28: 16; The Passover Festival in honour of the Lord, is to be held on the 14 th day of the first month.

Concerning the day of Passover, the Lord says in Exodus 12: 14; “You must celebrate ‘THIS DAY’ as a religious festival to remind you of what I, the Lord have done, Celebrate it (One day)*for all time to come.

Numbers 28: 16; On the fifteenth day a religious festival begins which lasts seven days, during which, only unleavened bread is to be eaten. On the first day of the seven day festival of unleavened bread, (The 15th day of Abib) you are to gather for worship and no work is to be done………………. On the last day (The 21st of Abib) you must meet for worship and do no work.

Numbers 33: 3; the people of Israel left Egypt on the 15th day of the first month of the year, the day AFTER the first Passover.

Deuteronomy 16: 6; Concerning the Passover meal; “Do it at sunset, the time of the day when you left Egypt. Not the day of the Passover, but the time of the day that you left Egypt AFTER the first day of Passover, as revealed in Numbers 33: 3.

Numbers 33: 3; reveals that the people of Israel left Egypt on the day “AFTER” the first Passover, as the sun set on the day of Passover, they left Egypt in full view of the Egyptians who were burying their first born sons, who the Lord had killed in the darkness of the previous night wherein the beginning of that night, the Israelites had eaten the Passover Lambs that had been killed between the two evenings that preceded their Passover meal.

According to the old Israelite time, The first evening was Midday, when the sun begins it descent, and the second evening, was when the sun began to sink below the horizon. Jesus, the reality of the Passover lamb, died at 3 PM between the two evenings of 12 Pm and 6 Pm on the day of preparation to the Passover, the 13th day of the first month.

You eat the sacrifice the same day it is killed/offered...if sunset begins a new day then this can not work...

The passing over at mid night is the same day the sacrifice is offered...if sunset begins a new day this can not work
 

clefty

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Leviticus 23: 5; The Passover, celebrated to honour the Lord BEGINS at sunset (The sunset, which is the end of the 13th day and the beginning of the 14th day) on the 14th day of the first month.

Leviticus 23: 7; On the fifteenth day (Which begins as the sun sets at the end of the 14th day) the festival of unleavened bread begins, etc.

Numbers 28: 16; The Passover Festival in honour of the Lord, is to be held on the 14 th day of the first month.

Concerning the day of Passover, the Lord says in Exodus 12: 14; “You must celebrate ‘THIS DAY’ as a religious festival to remind you of what I, the Lord have done, Celebrate it (One day)*for all time to come.

Numbers 28: 16; On the fifteenth day a religious festival begins which lasts seven days, during which, only unleavened bread is to be eaten. On the first day of the seven day festival of unleavened bread, (The 15th day of Abib) you are to gather for worship and no work is to be done………………. On the last day (The 21st of Abib) you must meet for worship and do no work.

Numbers 33: 3; the people of Israel left Egypt on the 15th day of the first month of the year, the day AFTER the first Passover.

Deuteronomy 16: 6; Concerning the Passover meal; “Do it at sunset, the time of the day when you left Egypt. Not the day of the Passover, but the time of the day that you left Egypt AFTER the first day of Passover, as revealed in Numbers 33: 3.

Numbers 33: 3; reveals that the people of Israel left Egypt on the day “AFTER” the first Passover, as the sun set on the day of Passover, they left Egypt in full view of the Egyptians who were burying their first born sons, who the Lord had killed in the darkness of the previous night wherein the beginning of that night, the Israelites had eaten the Passover Lambs that had been killed between the two evenings that preceded their Passover meal.

According to the old Israelite time, The first evening was Midday, when the sun begins it descent, and the second evening, was when the sun began to sink below the horizon. Jesus, the reality of the Passover lamb, died at 3 PM between the two evenings of 12 Pm and 6 Pm on the day of preparation to the Passover, the 13th day of the first month.

Exodus 12 :17 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.

Kill on 14 eat that same night...pass over occurred 14 at mid night...then morning the 15th finds them headed to succoth

Num. 33:3 - a new day, Israel left Egypt "on the 15 th day of the Ist month; on the morrow after the Passover." Next day - when morning came.
 

clefty

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Did Jesus die on the afternoon of the fourteenth?

John 18:28 Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover.

So kill on 14 eat that same night...
 

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Clefty wrote......Exodus 12 :17 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.

S-word wrote......The Jewish day consisted of 12 hours of darkness followed by 12 hours of daylight Exodus. 12: 17; is in reference to the seven day festival of Unleavened Bread, that follows the one day festival of Passover.

Exodus 12: 6; The Hebrew says "Two Evenings," from the Jerusalem Bible;exod 12: 6; The Pascal lamb was to be killed between the two evenings and eaten in the evening, which is the early hours of darkness at the beginning of the 14th day of the first month. The two evenings between which the Pascal lamb was to be killed was on the day of preparation to the Passover.

Crafty wrote...... Kill on 14 eat that same night...pass over occurred 14 at mid night...then morning the 15th finds them headed to Succoth

S-word wrote.....WRONG! the Lamb was to be killed between the two evenings of the day of preparation to the Passover. The sacrificial lamb was to be eaten in the early hours of the evening, which was the beginning of the 14th day of the first month, the angel of death passed over the land of Egypt at midnight, killing all the first born sons of the Egyptians.

During the 12 daylight hours of the 14th day of Passover that followed the 12 hours of darkness, the Israelites prepared to move out. They also had to break into Joseph's tomb to take his bones up to the promised land as promised.

In Exodus 12: 23: the Israelites are commanded to remain in their houses on the night of the 12 hour night of Passover, the night that the Lord killed all the first born of Egypt, which was the 14th of Abib, and they were not to leave their houses until morning, and it was later in that day, at sunset, the evening=NIGHT which as the beginning of the 15th day, that they left Egypt.*

Deuteronomy 16: 5-6; reveals that sunset was “THE TIME OF THE DAY” that the Israelites left Egypt.

While Numbers 33: 3; reveals that the people of Israel left Egypt on the day “AFTER” the first Passover, as the sun set on the day of Passover, they left Egypt in full view of the Egyptians who were burying their first born sons, who the Lord had killed in the darkness of the previous night wherein the beginning of that night, the Israelites had eaten the Passover Lambs that had been killed between the two evenings that preceded their Passover meal.

Clefty wrote.....Num. 33:3 - a new day, Israel left Egypt "on the 15 th day of the Ist month; on the morrow after the Passover." Next day - when morning came.

S-word wrote.....When will you ever learn, that the Hebrew day did not begin in the morning, but when the sun set on the daylight hours of the previous day. And the Israelites left Egypt as the sun set on the 14 day of Passover, which was the beginning of the 15th day and the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread.
 

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Clefty wrote......Exodus 12 :17 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.

S-word wrote......The Jewish day consisted of 12 hours of darkness followed by 12 hours of daylight Exodus. 12: 17; is in reference to the seven day festival of Unleavened Bread, that follows the one day festival of Passover.

Exodus 12: 6; The Hebrew says "Two Evenings," from the Jerusalem Bible;exod 12: 6; The Pascal lamb was to be killed between the two evenings and eaten in the evening, which is the early hours of darkness at the beginning of the 14th day of the first month. The two evenings between which the Pascal lamb was to be killed was on the day of preparation to the Passover.

Crafty wrote...... Kill on 14 eat that same night...pass over occurred 14 at mid night...then morning the 15th finds them headed to Succoth

S-word wrote.....WRONG! the Lamb was to be killed between the two evenings of the day of preparation to the Passover. The sacrificial lamb was to be eaten in the early hours of the evening, which was the beginning of the 14th day of the first month, the angel of death passed over the land of Egypt at midnight, killing all the first born sons of the Egyptians.

During the 12 daylight hours of the 14th day of Passover that followed the 12 hours of darkness, the Israelites prepared to move out. They also had to break into Joseph's tomb to take his bones up to the promised land as promised.

In Exodus 12: 23: the Israelites are commanded to remain in their houses on the night of the 12 hour night of Passover, the night that the Lord killed all the first born of Egypt, which was the 14th of Abib, and they were not to leave their houses until morning, and it was later in that day, at sunset, the evening=NIGHT which as the beginning of the 15th day, that they left Egypt.*

Deuteronomy 16: 5-6; reveals that sunset was “THE TIME OF THE DAY” that the Israelites left Egypt.

While Numbers 33: 3; reveals that the people of Israel left Egypt on the day “AFTER” the first Passover, as the sun set on the day of Passover, they left Egypt in full view of the Egyptians who were burying their first born sons, who the Lord had killed in the darkness of the previous night wherein the beginning of that night, the Israelites had eaten the Passover Lambs that had been killed between the two evenings that preceded their Passover meal.

Clefty wrote.....Num. 33:3 - a new day, Israel left Egypt "on the 15 th day of the Ist month; on the morrow after the Passover." Next day - when morning came.

S-word wrote.....When will you ever learn, that the Hebrew day did not begin in the morning, but when the sun set on the daylight hours of the previous day. And the Israelites left Egypt as the sun set on the 14 day of Passover, which was the beginning of the 15th day and the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread.

In post #52; Clefty wrote......John 18:28 Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover.


S-word......John 18:28-32Revised Standard Version (RSV) Jesus before Pilate; 28 Then they led Jesus from the house of Ca′iaphas to the praetorium. It was early. They themselves did not enter the praetorium, so that they might not be defiled, but might eat the passover.

It was early in the evening my friend, Just a few hours after their last supper.

John 19:14; Revised Standard Version (RSV) 14 Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about the sixth hour. (Of the 12 hours of darkness=Midnight) He said to the Jews, “Behold your King!”

He was nailed to the cross on the 3rd of the daylight hours of the day of preparation, (9 AM)at the 6th hour of daylight (Midday) darkness covered the Land for three hours, he died on the 9th hour, (3 PM) and was buried just as the sun was setting on the day of preparation to the Passover, and the Jewish authorities were about to sit down and devour the Lambs that they had butchered.

Jesus the reality of the Pascal lamb, died at 3 PM between the two evenings of Midday and 6 PM, on the day of preparation to the Passover.
 

clefty

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In post #52; Clefty wrote......John 18:28 Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover.


S-word......John 18:28-32Revised Standard Version (RSV) Jesus before Pilate; 28 Then they led Jesus from the house of Ca′iaphas to the praetorium. It was early. They themselves did not enter the praetorium, so that they might not be defiled, but might eat the passover.

It was early in the evening my friend, Just a few hours after their last supper.

John 19:14; Revised Standard Version (RSV) 14 Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover; it was about the sixth hour. (Of the 12 hours of darkness=Midnight) He said to the Jews, “Behold your King!”

He was nailed to the cross on the 3rd of the daylight hours of the day of preparation, (9 AM)at the 6th hour of daylight (Midday) darkness covered the Land for three hours, he died on the 9th hour, (3 PM) and was buried just as the sun was setting on the day of preparation to the Passover, and the Jewish authorities were about to sit down and devour the Lambs that they had butchered.

Jesus the reality of the Pascal lamb, died at 3 PM between the two evenings of Midday and 6 PM, on the day of preparation to the Passover.

Maybe another thread is needed but

http://www.iahushua.com/ST-RP/twt.htm
 

jamie

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Also, I checked into Bob Thiel's teachings which are incredibly unscriptural.

I hope you have not been influenced by Bob Thiel. What a loser.
 

clefty

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Scripture tells me that as Jesus was laid in the tomb, a Sabbath began.

Was that Sabbath the weekly Sabbath or some other Sabbath?

It was a high Sabbath annual and weekly...it was not a whole day of preparation but a preparation for the passing over at midnight....

Passover included to eat the meal that evening/night...was it now the 15th? Or still the same day the lambs were killed the 14th.

Do you believing the 15th starts that evening really think that from the time He died on the cross to getting permission to bury the body a process of appealing to the authorities and them verifying the body dead running back and forth and finally taking it off the cross to taking it to the tomb to begin burying Him all took place in dying light of that day?

I think the day following was indeed a High Sabbath celebrating on the 15th the passing over on the 14th...

the meal eaten that evening/night being the same day as the killing of the lambs

This night being the actual night of the mid night passing over which was still the 14th and burning leftovers before dawn into the 15th...
 
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