What the Gospel is and What the Gospel is Not
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jsanford108
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This is a common revisionist application, which goes against historical evidence and fact.
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Did Jesus claim to be a good son?
The Spirit is given to those who die.
glorydaz
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Sounds like you're' trying to cover a bunch of bases with that comment.
What Spirit and what death?
There is only one Spirit and it has been appointed for everyone to die once.
glorydaz
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Then how do you explain this verse?
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
What is there to explain? We put to death the flesh and become a new life.
I don't think that you get it.
When Jesus died on the cross that was the death of the old Adamic man and the flesh, Romans 6:6.
When Jesus was resurrected that is our new life. We are new creations in Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:17.
Did you bury the old man in a water grave?
"Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death"
Will you ever get it?
When Jesus died all of humanity died with him. The Old Adamic race has been put to death in Jesus Christ, Romans 6:6. As far as God is concerned sin, death and the devil have been destroyed, Read the 6th chapter of Romans.
It's a common fact, Paul never knew Jess when he was on the earth preaching the original gospel.
Paul received direct revelations from Jesus Christ, Galatians 1:11,12.
Jesus preached a Kingdom Gospel. It was the good news that the King had arrived.
The Gospel that Paul preached is the Gospel that Justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.
jsanford108
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You mean Paul never physically walked with Jesus in a literal sense? Sure. But, I agree with Robert Pate on this one. He provides a very clear and concise rationale describing how Paul "knew" Christ.
But my main objection comes with the notion that Christianity is the product of Paul and other Apostles bringing paganism into a new belief system.
The historical evidence is against this claim. Sure, you can make flimsy allusions and projections that make this idea seem valid, but the early writings of Christians disproves these claims. As do secular sources, as well.
To say that Christianity made physical elements sources of grace, that I believe, due to that evidence being present. Things such as wedding bands, feast days (such as Christmas), etc all have "pagan" examples, but are not pagan in themselves. One could say dancing was pagan. Pagans do this, no? But the practice of dancing is not solely pagan. In fact, one could incorporate dancing into a Christian form (such as David dancing before the Ark). It is not a "practice" that makes something pagan, but the intention.
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The concept of blood sacrifice to manipulate deity is Pagan and was universally practiced and believed among religions all over the earth long before the Son came down to teach the original Gospel of salvation by faith, sonship with God and the responsibility that comes with it. But inevitably that was too much for primitive minds to grasp, so it was easier for Paul's to make compromises for the sake of numbers. The Christian movement merged with and was modified simultaneously with Pagan theology.
The original gospel/religion OF Jesus was unwittingly replaced with a gospel ABOUT Jesus. The positive and triumphant life of Jesus was replaced by the negative story of the death of Jesus as a substitute to compensate for the erroneous doctrine of inherited, original sin-debt.
The good news was salvation by faith not sacrifices, tradition and the yoke of rituals, that we are all sons and daughters of God, not just subjects of a king or national deity.
Paul was just the first charismatic leader who heavily influenced the NT recollection of Jesus. Many people have been spirit born.
The reason that we are justified by faith and not by the works of the law is because we are justified by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus is our justifier, Romans 3:26. To try and be justified any other way is to be under condemnation.
That's Theological legalism. God isn't a math formula, he is a Loving Father. He Loves us because we are his children. The theory that man is born into sin debt contaminated the original gospel of Jesus which was replaced with the Pagan theory of human sacrifice for sin.
Those who live by wholehearted faith can take the salvation for granted. The religion of Jesus was one of self forgetfulness and service to others, not the selfish preoccupation with salvation.
beloved57
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You are being deceptive, you teach that sinners Christ died for are lost still, unjustified.
Everyone is born after Adam, Romans 5:12. We all need to be born again by the word of God, which is the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23. Until you are born again you are lost.