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False and does not become true just because you and many other cathoholics repeat.
What is the Gospel?
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The plan of salvation includes both the atonement and the work of predestination.
That’s not saying that there is more than one salvific message. There’s only one gospel of salvation, Jesus died a substitutionary death was buried and rose again for sin. But the cross is not the only saving mechanism in our salvation process. That’s what scripture teaches.
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No fact becomes false because anybody repeats that it's not true either, so I guess we're stalemated.
False Prophet
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this good news of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world and then the end shall come
[44] And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. dan 2
[44] And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. dan 2
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Fact....
29I know that after my departure, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.
30 Even from your own number, men will rise up and distort the truth to draw away disciples after them.…
You're sayin' those men lived a thousand years.
Then there's this....
1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.
4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
Show where somebody denied that the Lord Jesus Christ is risen, and I'll show you a heretic.
The Good News of Jesus Christ.
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Doctrine of demons by default deny His coming in the flesh as well as His rising.
Then that there's heresy!
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Yup.
glorydaz
Well-known member
Yep
Many in the brick and mortar are not in the body of Christ.
Only some of those in the body of Christ enter the brick and mortar.
Sonnet
New member
Indeed.
The plain meaning of John 3:14-16 is that anyone without exception may do as Jesus describes. It rules out the notion of a non-elect that are without access to salvation because not one of the infected Israelites could not, through inability, look. That Jesus chose an analogy that doesn't fit a doctrine should alter the doctrine. The actual details of the process of believing isn't discussed - but, certainly, I am not suggesting that the individual alone comes to faith.
Since Jesus chose the scope of the analogy Himself, then we need not concern ourselves with anything extraneous.
Jesus would have avoided this particular OT story.
Sonnet
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This remains shocking:
13Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
16It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
22What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
13Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
16It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
22What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
You ain’t no supersessional person... and thus... I still see more than what you are saying... in what you are saying.
I look forward to your exposition of your posted graphic.
Just remember... KISI...
Keep It Simple Intojoy!
Mark 5:7 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
7 and shouting with a loud voice, he *said, “What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God, do not torment me!”
Luke 8:28 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
28 Seeing Jesus, he cried out and fell before Him, and said in a loud voice, “What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me.”
God showed favor to Esau in His ladder days. Perhaps there is more to the actual meaning of the words in the scheme...
If God doesn’t “hate”, but Loves... humanity... the word “hate” must have a more deep meaning in context... wouldn’t you say?
Not sure if you were initially shocked by the torment quote... but keep in mind... Demons are aligned directly against Love and God, but know that God is the one that has the juice...
Thus... the Torment has much meaning beyond our simple frame of discussion here.
If I’m wrong about your initial “shocking” post... so be it.
One thing... [MENTION=4465]Bright Raven[/MENTION] ‘s quote supports [MENTION=15579]1Mind1Spirit[/MENTION] ‘s ...
Demons in the presence of God... cannot lie to God. It’s a bad idea. But demons out of the physical presence of God tell many lies..
glorydaz
Well-known member
Yep
The Bible does more than hint at our having a built in knowledge of God... which we can draw on when we hear the preaching of the word. We were created with that knowledge in us. Which is why man is without excuse.
Romans 1:19-20 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Jesus did compare Himself to the fiery serpent, with good reason. He came in the likeness of sinful flesh.
Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
The entire point is clear. The venom of the serpent is sin. Those who believed Moses and looked upon the serpent would live. It's one of the clearest pictures of faith we have in the Bible.