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Funny that he quoted a scripture passage with the word GODHEAD in it,
What is holding us back?
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musterion
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Why did you avoid answering the question?
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There are zero Trinitarians who believe that Trinitarianism is idolatrous, so it's impossible for us to be "willful" idolaters. If we are idolaters, then we are ignorant idolaters.
The Lord Jesus is incorruptible. 1st Corinthians 15:42 KJV
Not applicable. If we are idolaters, then we are ignorant idolaters.
Not getting the answer you expect is NOT avoiding the question...
Pharisees learned that...
Why did you reject my answer?
musterion
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Liar.
glorydaz
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I can see this discussion is too much for you to handle, clefty.
Our Lord never once said He was sent to the Romans. :chuckle:
glorydaz
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Because he's an attention seeker. He has no knowledge of Scripture, and doesn't want any. :sigh:
glorydaz
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No one plans on following your rabbit trail on the world wide web. We are here to discuss Scripture, and you can either participate or leave.
glorydaz
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Have you come to the forum to mock God? If not, try to speak like an adult.
glorydaz
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Maybe he's reading Romans 1 again.
[MENTION=12603]oatmeal[/MENTION] Please ask the mods to remove the thread pests like Clefty so we can continue our discussion.
oatmeal
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Have you not read that there were signs and wonders done among the Gentiles?
With in the context of Matthew 15:24 Jesus Christ delivered the Gentile woman's daughter because she believed.
The house of Cornelius in Acts 10 spoke in tongues, one of the signs that Jesus spoke of in Mark 16:17
Acts 15:12
Are you so unlearned? Who misguided you so terribly? Who lied to you that you would think that there were no signs and wonders and miracles done among the Gentiles?
oatmeal
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You still refuse to answer my questions?
Why?
You cannot tell me who your way to the Father is? For if your premise is right Jesus Christ is the way to the Father for the Judeans only.
Why not be humble and meek and learn instead of stubbornly refusing to see what the scriptures teach?
glorydaz
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They were done FOR the Jews, Oats. Just as they were done in Egypt....for the Jews. You need to think about these things, and not just jump to the first conclusion you reach.
oatmeal
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Why don't you read what Colossians actually says?
What does it say?
a. Jesus is the invisible God, (funny Jesus was seen of many many people, but God is invisible, there fore Jesus cannot be God)
b. Jesus is the image of the invisible God
If you cannot see the difference..
Does Hebrews 1:3 say?
a. Jesus is God
b. Jesus is the brightness of God's glory
Is the light from the flashlight the flashlight?
Just so you don't get confused, the light from the flashlight is not the flashlight, thought the flashlight is the source of the light emitted by the flashlight
Do you the righteousness of God because you are God? II Corinthians 5:21 or is God the source of your righteousness that God gave of himself to you?
glorydaz
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There you go....assuming a premise that doesn't exist, and was not even suggested.
oatmeal
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Christianity by consensus?
Truth by consensus?
Wow, I am so impressed that you determine by popular vote what truth is.
oatmeal
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Well, this post by Musterion should clear up what premise he brought up
"Okay, here it is point blank.
JESUS WAS NOT SPEAKING TO OR ABOUT YOU. OR ME. OR ANYONE ELSE ALIVE TODAY.
THE WORDS OF JOHN DO NOT APPLY TO YOU. THEY WERE FOR REPENTANT ISRAELITES.
JOHN WAS NOT YOUR CHRIST-CHOSEN APOSTLE. PAUL WAS.
CHRIST SPOKE AGAIN THROUGH PAUL, AND THROUGH PAUL SPEAKS TO YOU.
PAUL IS THE ONE YOU SHOULD PREEMINENTLY HEED.
Now having heard all that before, here comes the part where you reject every word of it, proving how pointless this is."
Since Jesus, according to musterion was not talking to me in the gospels,( which is true, he was talking to the Judeans, ) does that mean the Jesus is not the way to the Father for Christianity? John 14:6
If Jesus is not the way to the Father for musterion and maybe you? Who is the way to the Father for Christians? or are you suggesting that there is no way to the Father for Christians?
It is by Jesus Christ, the faith of Jesus Christ, that we can have boldness in our access to God, Ephesians 3:12
Romans 5:1-2 likewise affirm that is by Jesus Christ that we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, without Jesus Christ we have no access by faith.
Romans 12:3 God has dealt to the believers the measure of faith which is come by Jesus Christ, Galatians 3:21-26
We have been given that faith of Jesus Christ by God so that we can do the works of Christ as John 14:12 states.
Are you suggesting that we cannot do the works of Christ?
Than whose works do you aspire to do? By Paul as musterion seems to imply?
How did Paul live and do works? Galatians 2:20
Our access to God hinges on the works of Jesus Christ, if you do not believe that, oh, well.
glorydaz
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Let's just take this in baby steps.
In order for God to be seen by man, He became flesh.
That is how Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God.
What would be your explanation of the text?
How is it that you explain away it's meaning?
How about this one? Pay close attention to the bolded portions.
In the form of God John 1:1
Took upon the form of a servant John 1:14
Philippians 2:6-8
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
glorydaz
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Jesus Christ, when He walked among us, was talking to the Jews, as you agree.
But....things changed when the nation rejected their Lord and Saviour.
We see the change for ourselves as we read Acts. Mid Acts to be precise.
Jesus Christ is still the way, but the way, itself has changed.
Now it's through faith in His blood. That's a big change, wouldn't you say?
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
God turned to the Gentiles. When He did that, the RISEN LORD gave Paul the words to speak to the Gentiles. This is why Musty pointed you to Paul.
The way to God was no longer working righteousness and accepting Jesus Christ as Messiah, but through God's Grace apart from Israel. The twelve continued to preach to the CIRCUMCISION (Jews), and Paul preached his Gospel of Grace to the Gentiles.
Things that differ, Oats.
oatmeal
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So the signs and wonders and miracles done to the Gentiles did not benefit the Gentiles?
What Gentile wouldn't appreciate being healed of blindness or palsy or leprosy?
The healings and miracles done to the believing Gentiles, (Christians formerly Gentiles) benefited those Gentiles.
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