We know from scripture that is not true.
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We know from scripture that is not true.
oatmeal
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Show me the scripture
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. (Romans 8:7)
The carnal mind is the natural mind of humans without God's Spirit to guide.
The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9)
The human heart without God's Spirit is deceitful.
oatmeal
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So, then you have no passage in scripture to support your conclusion.
That explains your theology
Cross Reference
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You show the scripture that supports your man made up wild distortions of Jesus?
The natural human mind is not subject to God's law. Jesus didn't sin so his mind was continually guided by God's Spirit from infancy.
Cross Reference
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Jesus didn't sin BECAUSE He continually had the Mind of God. He proved that one cannot be any earthly good without being completely heavenly minded.
But again, did Jesus have this mind from birth or was it something He had to learn?
Does that mean Jesus is God?
Jesus had the mind of God through God's Spirit.
Cross Reference
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How does a reprobate get god's spirit?
Jesus didn't sin because he had God's Spirit even before he was potty trained.
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Hebrews 9:14)
Cross Reference
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So it is you just want to argue. Argue with yourself or someone else. Thank you.
nikolai_42
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The original question :
How does any of this provide evidence for your assertion that the only way Jesus could have been tempted in all points as we are (yet without sin) is if He didn't have the Holy Spirit?
How does any of this provide evidence for your assertion that the only way Jesus could have been tempted in all points as we are (yet without sin) is if He didn't have the Holy Spirit?
oatmeal
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I Corinthians 2:14
When you figure out what a "natural man" is, then you will have your answer.
Go ahead. Tell us what you are.
The condition of man in his natural state Romans 3:9-19
nikolai_42
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Was Paul - the one who penned that verse - without sin? Was he, then, merely a natural man who could not receive the things of God? There's nothing in that verse that speaks of being sinless. If you are asserting what I think you are, then no one is spiritual because everyone has sinned.
Cross Reference
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Amen!
You're welcome, but what are we arguing about?
Aimiel
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He is The Creator, as Scripture clearly states:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
He is The Root AND The Offspring of David:
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
He is where David came from and He is also a descendant (on His mother's side). When He was a single sperm cell He was still God. The Holy Spirit conceived Him in her womb.
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
He is The Root AND The Offspring of David:
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
He is where David came from and He is also a descendant (on His mother's side). When He was a single sperm cell He was still God. The Holy Spirit conceived Him in her womb.