jzeidler
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Refer back to my previous posts on this thread. I have already made a compelling argument. You can choose to believe what Jesus claims about himself or not.
Trinity Belief Is A Delusion
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Refer back to my previous posts on this thread. I have already made a compelling argument. You can choose to believe what Jesus claims about himself or not.
I suppose I am mocking the fact that Muslims and Christians make a fundamental mistake when they take the metaphoric and sacred language of their religions literally.
oatmeal
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So my question remains unanswered.
Where does scripture speak of Jesus being "fully God and fully man"?
Since scripture does not state that Jesus is "fully God and fully man" I find no reason to believe that, "fully God and fully man" is a man made notion, not a God authored scripture.
Is God "fully God and fully man"?
Where does it state that God is "fully God and fully man"?
God is spirit. John 4:24
No man has seen God at any time. John 1:18, yet men have seen Jesus Christ, even unbelievers saw Jesus Christ.
If you do not wish to believe John 1:18, that is your choice.
No man has seen God at any time.
What does "any time" mean? It means "any time"
No man has ever seen God, ever.
Do you know how to believe?
Do you think you can believe John 1:18?
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lol That isn't no mistake. I take it literally. That is the only way to communicate with the Holy Spirit. Because He only quotes verses.
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Let me try this on you. I think I know where they come up with that fully God and fully man. Because God was in Jesus for a while then God left Jesus. They can only assume that while God was in Jesus that it was Jesus all the time. The problem is that cant relate to spirits being in people and out of people. I know because I had my share to get rid of . I think some of them go brain dead when they read these verses.
2 Cor 5:19
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
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John 14:10
10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
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Mark 15:34
34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which is translated, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"
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1 Cor 12:6
6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.
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Phil 2:13
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
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You have permission to have thoughts beyond " the scripture" that is just the thoughts of holy men anyway.
A literal view of the profoundly symbolic writings of the gospel authors was basically "locked in" after the time of the Enlightenment.
Rationality and logic and literalism trump myth and metaphor. Both fundamentalist Muslims and Christians adhere to these "rules."
My point has always been that is not that those ancient people told literal stories and we are now smart enough to take them symbolically. They told them symbolically and we are now dumb enough to take them literally.
And that means both traditionalists and atheists.
How do you handle the plain and obvious discrepancies found in the Bible? Do you somehow use logic to "force" the contradictions into a seamless whole?
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That is blasphemy. No your not. Not if you want to learn the truth about God. The rules of believing state. Not to even think beyond what is written. And don't add one word to the verses, or take one word away from the verses.
1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
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Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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Well I know there are stumbling stones. And that is there purpose. A true believer will put them on the back burner until a later date.
The belief in non-trinitarian doctrine is heretical.
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Where does it say that in scripture??? The belief in the trinity is heretical. I have proven that, over and over.
Well Squeaky, here's the deal. This is a trinitarian website. Your beliefs are heretical here. If I remember correctly even Knight has asked you to stop opening non-trinitarian threads. If I'm wrong, I apologize. Still your doctrine is not acceptable.
John 1:18New International Version (NIV)
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
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lolo I have never seen that anywhere in this website. Where does it say this is a Trinitarian website?
Three or four years ago they were talking about doing away with the NIV. I guess your just stuck in an old copy. Here is the way the bible says it.
John 1:18
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
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John 1:18
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
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John 1:18
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared (him).
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