Yesterday, From Channel 8 in Michigan.
The 2.5″ of snow at Marquette was the earliest 2.5″ snowfall since 10/17/1976.
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I know, I know.......more snow is from global warming despite what all the climatologists said 10 year ago.
Top physicist on climate change....
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Yesterday, From Channel 8 in Michigan.
The 2.5″ of snow at Marquette was the earliest 2.5″ snowfall since 10/17/1976.
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I know, I know.......more snow is from global warming despite what all the climatologists said 10 year ago.
Most don't see a contradiction between a warming world and lots of snow. That includes Kevin Trenberth, a prominent climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Colorado.
"The fact that the oceans are warmer now than they were, say, 30 years ago means there's about on average 4 percent more water vapor lurking around over the oceans than there was, say, in the 1970s," he says.
"So one of the consequences of a warming ocean near a coastline like the East Coast and Washington, D.C., for instance, is that you can get dumped on with more snow partly as a consequence of global warming," he says.
To understand the relationship between climate change and intense snowfall, you first need to understand that global warming certainly doesn't do away with winter or the seasons. So it'll still be plenty cold enough for snow much of the time. Meanwhile, global warming loads the dice in favor of more intense precipitation through changes in atmospheric moisture content. "Warming things up means the atmosphere can and does hold more moisture," explains Kevin Trenberth, a climate scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo. "So in winter, when there is still plenty of cold air there's a risk of bigger snows. With east coast storms, where the moisture comes from the ocean which is now warmer, this also applies."
"More winter and spring precipitation is projected for the northern U.S., and less for the Southwest, over this century," adds the draft US National Climate Assessment.
Sources:
1) http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123671588
2) http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/01/global-warming-janus-snow
The Northwest Passage became open again in 2007
In 2010, the HMS Investigator was found.
The HMS Investigator sailed the Northwest Passage in 1853
How did the HMS Investigator make it that far in 1853?
Was there global warming in 1853?
genuineoriginal
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Arrhenius could be considered the founding father of modern Climate science, as they have carried on his tradition:
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About 1900, Arrhenius became involved in setting up the Nobel Institutes and the Nobel Prizes. He was elected a member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences in 1901. For the rest of his life, he would be a member of the Nobel Committee on Physics and a de facto member of the Nobel Committee on Chemistry. He used his positions to arrange prizes for his friends (Jacobus van't Hoff, Wilhelm Ostwald, Theodore Richards) and to attempt to deny them to his enemies (Paul Ehrlich, Walther Nernst, Dmitri Mendeleev).
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About 1900, Arrhenius became involved in setting up the Nobel Institutes and the Nobel Prizes. He was elected a member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences in 1901. For the rest of his life, he would be a member of the Nobel Committee on Physics and a de facto member of the Nobel Committee on Chemistry. He used his positions to arrange prizes for his friends (Jacobus van't Hoff, Wilhelm Ostwald, Theodore Richards) and to attempt to deny them to his enemies (Paul Ehrlich, Walther Nernst, Dmitri Mendeleev).
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You have only proven that climate science has been corrupt for over 100 years.
His calculations were wrong then and the calculations are wrong now as well.
Neither Arrhenius nor his successors in climate science take into account clouds and other factors.
genuineoriginal
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The first thing would be accurate predictions of temperatures, which would need at least 10 years to confirm.
The second thing would be to run the models with accurate temperature readings instead of ones deliberately altered to prove the model.
The third thing would be to apologize for making insane recommendations about limiting CO2 emissions, since they already know that won't have any effect.
What sort of evidence would you require to convince you that CO2 generated by burning fossil fuels is not contributing to climate change?
What sort of evidence would you require to convince you that no attempt to reduce CO2 emissions will have any effect at all on stopping climate change?
gcthomas
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Please quote the climate scientist who said that there wouldn't be any year on year short term variability.
You keep being told that climate variations are on the order of decades, so why the emphasis on a single year variation? It looks like cherry picking.
gcthomas
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You do know that the Greenland ice sheet is 40000 years old, don't you?
According to the Icelandic sagas Eric the Red called it Greenland to lure settlers. It was never a green land, and a thousand years ago it was colder than today.
All you're doing is copying what you read on Skepticalscience.com
From skepticalscience.com:
"The Greenland ice sheet is at least 400,000 years old"
"According to the Icelandic sagas, Erik the Red named it Greenland in an attempt to lure settlers "
You might want to go back and correct your "40,000" to "400,000", since that's what skepticalscience.com says.
Do you have any critical thinking skills, or do like being a sheep?
Maybe you should ask yourself how the Vikings even got to Greenland. And, are you really going to believe that it was called "Greenland" because someone lied?
The problem for you guys is that you can't have it being warmer than today when the Vikings settled in Greenland a thousand years ago, because that causes a big problem for your theory that man causes global warming.
You won't find anything about HMS Investigator on skepticalscience.com. Got any explanations for how that ship made it to where it did back in 1853?
gcthomas
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Is that the expedition that used sledges to complete the trip, and the ship got stuck in the ice for three winters and got rescued by sledges as the crew were dying from starvation? That HMS Investigator that took four years and was eventually lost, stuck in the ice, and only discovered by sonar five years ago?
Hmmm, I don't think I need to explain how a ship returned that did not in fact return.
I never said it returned.
HMS Investigator was found off of Banks Island. It was attempting to make the Northwest Passage from west to east while searching for Franklin's ships. That's why it attempted the Northwest Passage from West to East.
The below map shows how far it made it before being stopped by ice.
My question to you is how did a wooden ship make it all the way to Banks Island in the Beaufort Sea 1853? How did the HMS Resolute make it to Dealy Island?
Even more challenging to you is how did the HMS Erebus and HMS Terror make it as far north as the northern part of Bathurst Island in 1846 in wooden ships?
You know as well as I do that the only logical answer is that there wasn't any ice to stop these wooden ships from where they were able to go to in the mid 1800's.
But like I said, that doesn't fit your AGW theories
The Northwest Passage was first navigated in 1903
It was done in the following wooden ship:
From Wikipedia:
"On August 21, 2007, the Northwest Passage became open to ships without the need of an icebreaker."
Again, there couldn't have been ice for the above ship to navigate the Northwest Passage in 1903.
Also from Wikipedia:
" Vikings, however, operated their ships in the waters that were ice-free for most of the year, in the conditions of the Medieval Warm Period."
What caused the "Medieval Warm Period"?
It was done in the following wooden ship:
From Wikipedia:
"On August 21, 2007, the Northwest Passage became open to ships without the need of an icebreaker."
Again, there couldn't have been ice for the above ship to navigate the Northwest Passage in 1903.
Also from Wikipedia:
" Vikings, however, operated their ships in the waters that were ice-free for most of the year, in the conditions of the Medieval Warm Period."
What caused the "Medieval Warm Period"?
gcthomas
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That ship went through 3ft deep waters to avoid thick ice, although there was plenty of young ice that says broken up by the tide and wind very close to the shore where his shallow draught boat could all. Even though, the ship took nearly three years to make the passage, being trapped in the ice for two years - hardly evidence that the Passage was open. 2007,on the other hand, had a completely ice free passage through deep water.
That would be impossible since the Gjoa had a draft of 10 feet.
HMS Erebus had a draft of 14 feet. Fully loaded it was over 16 feet.
The only explanation is that there wasn't any ice in the way for these ships to make it to where they made it to in the Canadian Arctic Archipelago in the mid 1800's.
The Northwest Passage has never been navigable in the winter, and many times they had to turn around and go back because they had no idea where they were going. That's why it took so long. However, in the summer, they had no problem navigating through the water that was ICE FREE.
Stop and think !!!
If it wasn't Ice free, how did the Gjoa make it all the way through the Northwest Passage?
No, you just don't know how to respond because you can't find anything on skepticalscience.com to reply with.
The route of the Gjoa (east to west) 1903-1906:
ok doser
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From York University, September 25, 2015:
"Arctic sea ice still too thick for regular shipping route through Northwest Passage"
Yet, a wooden ship was able to navigate the Northwest Passage in 1903
"Arctic sea ice still too thick for regular shipping route through Northwest Passage"
Yet, a wooden ship was able to navigate the Northwest Passage in 1903
Maybe it was the Catholics burning all those heretics at the stake.
How much CO2 does burning a heretic at the stake admit into the atmosphere?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
they must have used gasoline to get them started :idunno:
hundreds of millions of gallons of gasoline