toldailytopic: What should be done with Planned Parenthood? Defund or continued suppo

[Stripe]

The right is happy to pay for the murder of born children and adults in other countries.

No, it's not. Why would you make something like that up?

They tell us that everyone else should be happy about it too, your point being what?

No, they don't.

I'm not happy to fund abortion, but I see the other things the organization is doing as outweighing the abortions performed.

I see. So giving condoms to underage children (pardon the tautology) is reason to overlook the fact that they murder unborn children.

Great. lain:

Partly because I think if you remove their funding, contraception will go down and you'll probably have more abortions in the long run rather than fewer.

Nope. If you stop handing out condoms to kids, they stop being taught that adults expect them to have sex. If you teach kids that sex outside marriage is not OK, they can learn that Godly concept.

And technically federal funds are not allowed to be used to fund abortions.

Technicalities are irrelevant. Money given to PP for any reason is money that allows them to continue assassinating children because of gender, physical ailment or because mum doesn't want to take a few months off work.

What on earth is your analogy supposed to illustrate (not that it makes any sense anyway)?

What analogy? I guessed the percentage of houses I buy out of everything I buy. I buy maybe a hundred coffees a year but well short of one house. So I'm guessing the percentage of houses I buy is well under 1%. Kinda irrelevant then, house buying, isn't it?

No analogy. Just that evolutionists love deceptive graphs. Anything that makes murdering babies a tiny percentage justifies their continued support and defence of baby murdering.

Most of what Planned Parenthood does is not abortion, both in dollar amount and sheer number of services rendered.

Your graph conveniently left out the dollars spent on murdering babies - which will undoubtedly be where the vast majority of the money goes. No doubt you'll be able to find a graph that includes rent and transport hire in order to further dishonestly advance your justification of baby murder.

And, like I said. Giving out a million condoms and performing one abortion makes the abortion a tiny fraction. Tiny.

Minuscule.

But we do not care how many condoms you have. That is someone's child you are murdering.

 

[Delmar]

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[Delmar]

Social programs aren't theft, that is a pretty twisted and sick view for someone who claims to support Christ.

generosity to poor is a Christian virtue, you seem to despise it. Do you despise Christ because he did say what you do for the least of these you do for me?

*note i am not coming pout pro abort , but the general assault on any social support from government.

Charity is not theft and is, as you say, a Christian virtue :up:


Taking money, by force of the government, from people who worked for it, to give to people who did not, is theft! Especially when politicians use the money they took, to buy the votes to take more money!

 

[Frank Ernest]

Social programs aren't theft, that is a pretty twisted and sick view for someone who claims to support Christ.

Where did Jesus ever say that social programs are a function of government?

generosity to poor is a Christian virtue, you seem to despise it. Do you despise Christ because he did say what you do for the least of these you do for me?

Yes, Jesus encouraged people to consider the poor. Jesus did not say this obligation rested with government.

*note i am not coming pout pro abort , but the general assault on any social support from government.

One of the arguments for taxpayer-funded abortion is that it prevents women from falling into poverty by having children they cannot support. (Of course, if they do, the government will pick up that expense also.)

Is it a Christian virtue to demand, through government force, that your neighbor support the poor?

 

[Tambora]

Social programs aren't theft, that is a pretty twisted and sick view for someone who claims to support Christ.

generosity to poor is a Christian virtue, you seem to despise it. Do you despise Christ because he did say what you do for the least of these you do for me?

*note i am not coming pout pro abort , but the general assault on any social support from government.

Christian charity is a freewill offering, not a forced offering.
A forced offering is not charity at all.

 

[Tambora]

I see. So giving condoms to underage children (pardon the tautology) is reason to overlook the fact that they murder unborn children.

Great. lain:

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Nope. If you stop handing out condoms to kids, they stop being taught that adults expect them to have sex. If you teach kids that sex outside marriage is not OK, they can learn that Godly concept.

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And, like I said. Giving out a million condoms and performing one abortion makes the abortion a tiny fraction. Tiny.

Minuscule.

But we do not care how many condoms you have. That is someone's child you are murdering.

AMEN!

 

[This Charming Manc]

Where does the bible say that?

I thought it said this

Romans 12

"For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor."

Matthew 22:

Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. 16 They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are. 17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax[a] to Caesar or not?”

18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, 20 and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

21 “Caesar’s,” they replied.

Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

That was in reference to a Roman regime that was infinitely more anti God, anti Christian and despicable than the current american administration.

This line that 'tax dollars are theft and are immoral' is a lie of the devil and should be exposed as such. Its cultural thinking, not biblical thinking.

Taking money, by force of the government, from people who worked for it, to give to people who did not, is theft! Especially when politicians use the money they took, to buy the votes to take more money!

 

[This Charming Manc]

OK this a sub issue, and im about to take this track off thread will answer this in another thread later.

Christian charity is a freewill offering, not a forced offering.
A forced offering is not charity at all.

 

[sky.]

Defund them. Recently my son was on his way to class at college and he saw some people outside of a planned parenthood and they were standing out front and passing out a piece of paper. He was so curious about what they were doing he went up to them and asked them. The person showed him what they were giving to the people who were going inside. It was a piece of paper that said "we are praying for you". He was very struck by that. He said that the girl told him that anyone can hate them but they wanted to encourage them to make a different choice.

 

[chrysostom]

why are we discussing this?
when
the obvious solution is to vote republican
and
get rid of the baby killers who are supporting this

 

[PureX]

Pure liberal/socialist hogwash. Everyone should know by now that you cannot trust everything in wikipedia. Source for below article previously cited in my earlier post.


Planned Parenthood profiting at taxpayers' expense

Jan 16, 2013

This month marks the 40th anniversary of the passage of Roe v. Wade — the abortion decision. Planned Parenthood and those who support the culture of death will celebrate while those who embrace the culture of life will mourn the loss of 55 million Americans destroyed in this holocaust.

The reason for PP’s celebration may be its recently released annual report showing a record number of 333,964 abortions performed in 2011 at the going rate of $451 for an early stage abortion. This figure does not take into account the lucrative income obtained for chemical or later surgical abortions — big business indeed.


While the number of abortions increased at the clinics, the number of other services was down. Since 2009, PP’s cancer screenings dropped 29 percent while contraceptive services dropped 12 percent. The number of mammograms performed has (surprise!) remained the same at 0 percent.

The slogan adopted by Planned Parenthood Federation of America is “Care. No matter what” and we, the taxpayers, should care since we foot the bill. The money given to them by Congress was $55 million more than given in the year 2010 for a total of $542 million in federal, state and local government funding.


Planned Parenthood continues to perform record numbers of abortions and receives a record amount of taxpayer revenue but, with 40 years of pro-life advocacy/education and modern technology (ultrasound), truth about the profit-driven abortion industry will prevail. May we look forward to the day when our nation no longer commemorates the passage of this ill-conceived, tragic bill of death.


Barbara Martin,
Fort Collins

This is just meaningless drivel.

Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organization. That means that every year, whatever amount of money it takes in, it must spend on providing services according to it's mission. And every year it is rigorously scrutinized to make certain that it does so. Whatever money it receives for the services it provides to some people, it uses to provide services to those who cannot pay. It produces no profit, and pays no investors or shareholders.

Also, Planned Parenthood does not use any of the money it receives from anyone to provide abortions. The organization does provide the abortion procedure, but only to those women who can pay for it, themselves, in full.

But of course, you and everyone else here will simply ignore this reality and continue to believe whatever is convenient for you to believe, to maintain that air of righteous indignation.

 

[WizardofOz]

There is absolutely no reason to provide Planned Parenthood with public funds.

 

[PureX]

There is absolutely no reason to provide Planned Parenthood with public funds.

That people will suffer and die, isn't a good reason?

 

[Alate_One]

No, it's not. Why would you make something like that up?

Yes, it is. They're against any cuts in military spending, despite the fact the USA spends more than the next ten countries combined.

They clamored for the Iraq war and quite a few want to go to war with Iran. They don't care about life as long as it's not unborn and from another country. They then turned around and told the country that anyone that disagreed with the Iraq war was unamerican.

You can say the deaths of innocents may be a small proportion of what happens in war (debatable) but that's exactly the same argument you're making against Planned Parenthood. 3% is too much, how many innocent people have died and been injured in the pointless military excursions the US has been engaged in the last 15 years or so?

I see. So giving condoms to underage children (pardon the tautology) is reason to overlook the fact that they murder unborn children.

Who says it's to underage children?

Nope. If you stop handing out condoms to kids, they stop being taught that adults expect them to have sex. If you teach kids that sex outside marriage is not OK, they can learn that Godly concept.

You expect the vast majority of non-Christian children to accept the ideals of a religion they don't accept? Even Christians hurry to get married or reject that aspect of Christianity.

Technicalities are irrelevant. Money given to PP for any reason is money that allows them to continue assassinating children because of gender, physical ailment or because mum doesn't want to take a few months off work.

Generally it's because mom CAN'T take months off work. How is a single parent in the inner city supposed to support her family doing that? You act as if it's rich, selfish women that get abortions, that's generally not the case. And the right doesn't want to pay for "welfare moms", yet they abhor the abortions. But they'd never offer to maintain a decent safety net for them, no that would encourage them to have more children. But we can't promote contraception or abortion either! :dizzy: The right makes no sense whatsoever.

What analogy? I guessed the percentage of houses I buy out of everything I buy. I buy maybe a hundred coffees a year but well short of one house. So I'm guessing the percentage of houses I buy is well under 1%. Kinda irrelevant then, house buying, isn't it?

Obviously the amount of cash you spend on a single house is larger than probably all the coffees you buy. Considering, monetarily, abortion is still a small proportion of what goes on, you still don't have a point.

And complaining the data is faked? Yeah that's reality denial for you.

 

[WizardofOz]

That people will suffer and die, isn't a good reason?

People will suffer and die if Planned Parenthood isn't given public funds? How so?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

There is absolutely no reason to provide Planned Parenthood with public funds.

So in essence (i.e. Libertarian doctrine): baby murdering should be allowed to continue as long as tax payer dollars aren't used.

 

[Stripe]

Yes, it is. They're against any cuts in military spending, despite the fact the USA spends more than the next ten countries combined.

What was that you were saying? The military are murderers?

You're insane.

They clamored for the Iraq war and quite a few want to go to war with Iran. They don't care about life as long as it's not unborn and from another country. They then turned around and told the country that anyone that disagreed with the Iraq war was unamerican.

Go have a nice lie-down.

You can say the deaths of innocents may be a small proportion of what happens in war (debatable) but that's exactly the same argument you're making against Planned Parenthood. 3% is too much, how many innocent people have died and been injured in the pointless military excursions the US has been engaged in the last 15 years or so?

Murderers who wear army uniform get court marshalled and shot, don't they?

Who says it's to underage children?

There aren't any overage children. lain:

You expect the vast majority of non-Christian children to accept the ideals of a religion they don't accept? Even Christians hurry to get married or reject that aspect of Christianity.

Try to respond to what I said. It is possible to teach children to reserve sex for marriage. What others might expect is irrelevant.

Generally it's because mom CAN'T take months off work.

Sure, they can.

How is a single parent in the inner city supposed to support her family doing that?

Murdering her family is not supporting it.

You act as if it's rich, selfish women that get abortions, that's generally not the case.

No, I don't.

And the right doesn't want to pay for "welfare moms", yet they abhor the abortions.

So?

But they'd never offer to maintain a decent safety net for them, no that would encourage them to have more children. But we can't promote contraception or abortion either! :dizzy: The right makes no sense whatsoever.

You keep making stuff up that they believe.

Obviously the amount of cash you spend on a single house is larger than probably all the coffees you buy. Considering, monetarily, abortion is still a small proportion of what goes on, you still don't have a point.

Oh, well. Perhaps that concept was too complicated for you. :idunno:

And complaining the data is faked? Yeah that's reality denial for you.

Faked? Why would you make something up like that? No, I didn't say it was faked. I said it was dishonestly presented.

Klanned Parenthood doesn't need funding. It needs dismantling.

 

[WizardofOz]

So in essence (i.e. Libertarian doctrine): baby murdering should be allowed to continue as long as tax payer dollars aren't used.

:doh:
Read the OP genius, "Defund or continued support?"

I chose defund. Which do you prefer?

My opinion is that it can be privately funded, but not government funded.

Defund them.

Are these examples of "Libertarian doctrine"? Maybe we should ask Hutch.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

:doh:
Read the OP genius, "Defund or continued support?"

I chose defund. Which do you prefer?

Life.

Are these examples of "Libertarian doctrine"? Maybe we should ask Hutch.

So you're "kinda" a Libertarian?

 

[WizardofOz]

Life.

Read the OP and try again
"Defund or continued support?"

Should Planned Parenthood received public funds?

So you're "kinda" a Libertarian?

One is either a member of the Libertarian party or they are not. I am 0% Libertarian despite hearing "Libertarian doctrine" from your kinda/former pastor.