toldailytopic: Should Christians involve themselves in politics?

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The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for September 30th, 2011 08:14 AM


toldailytopic: Should Christians involve themselves in politics?






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Buzzword

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Only for entertainment purposes.

Otherwise it becomes the mortal enemy of "the peace of God" and any hope of contentment one could achieve in this life.
 

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A big Yes.

Mathew 5:13 - Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

A Christian should influence the world around him including politics. If he doesn't, he is like salt that is tasteless. His community and even his country will rot out from under him. Our country is sick because too many Christians have sat on their hands and become like salt with no flavor.
 

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I'm not sure what capacity the OP is about but I would say yes.
When we have democracy I don't see why they shouldn't use their right to vote.
 

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A big Yes.

Mathew 5:13 - Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

A Christian should influence the world around him including politics. If he doesn't, he is like salt that is tasteless. His community and even his country will rot out from under him. Our country is sick because too many Christians have sat on their hands and become like salt with no flavor.

Do you consider working to be Christ to those in one's actual circle of influence to be "sitting on their hands"?

Christians all over the world have shown that we can demonstrate Christ's love and transforming power WITHOUT setting foot in the halls of government.

Are missionaries going to Kenya and handing out political pamphlets?
No.
They're building homes and churches, helping those in need, and always sharing Christ's love and message.

Are missionaries going to China to try overthrowing the Communist government?
No.
They're building homes and churches, helping those in need, and always sharing Christ's love and message.

I'm not sure what capacity the OP is about but I would say yes.
When we have democracy I don't see why they shouldn't use their right to vote.

Have you ever been HAPPY following or participating in politics?

A brief perusal of the Politics section of TOL shows a whole bunch of people angry for one thing or another, but none able to CHANGE what angers them.

Why bother getting angry about that over which you have zero control?

If I'm going to use the energy required to be angry, it's going to be at something I'll eventually STOP being angry about, either because I've fixed the problem or I'm tired and am going to bed.
 

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Mt. 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
 

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The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for September 30th, 2011 08:14 AM


toldailytopic: Should Christians involve themselves in politics?


By all means, just as they always have in the past, but with less emphasis on self-promotion and more emphasis on the compassion and empathy of Jesus, both toward their fellow politicians and toward the we-the-people that they serve. In the past and up until now, Jesus has been left outside of the hallowed halls of government. Without turning us into a theocracy, that could change.
 

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Otherwise it becomes the mortal enemy of "the peace of God" and any hope of contentment one could achieve in this life.

Consider some of the practices that government officials currently debate, legalize, or even finance with our taxes: abortion, gambling, divorce, pornography, homosexuality, contraceptives for unmarried teens, and "education" that justifies some or all of these. Should Christians speak out about such issues, or should we remain silent? If we do not speak out, how do we fulfill our God-given duty to preach the truth and rebuke error?

The political process (through legislation) is another avenue where Christians can preach the truth and rebuke error.
 

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Definitely. To abandon this realm is to give it over to the enemy, and we are called to defend those who cannot defend themselves. Sometimes, politics give us that avenue. That said, I also feel like a number of people just stop at being "politically active" (i.e. voting) and pass up other opportunities to be salt and light to their culture.
 
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Whither the West?

Whither the West?

I like what P. Andrew Sandlin said in "Christianity: Mother of Political Liberty"

Whither the West?

Today the West languishes under the violence of abortion and euthanasia, the scourge of homosexuality, the poverty of materialism, the coercion of socialism, the stranglehold of "public" education, the chaos of judicial activism, and the injustice of a forced racism and sexism. These tyrannies are all the direct result of the abandonment of Biblical Christianity. The Western world has increasingly accepted the proposal of that first modern political liberal, Jean Jacque Rousseau: the state will emancipate you from responsibility to all non-coercive human institutions like the family, church, and business, if only you submit yourself to the coercion of the state. Modern man has been willing to trade away responsibility to the family and church and business for subjugation to an increasingly coercive and violent political order. We are returning to the classical, pagan world in which the coercive state is the unifying principle for all of life.

The most vicious, violent, and murderous political regimes in the history of mankind have been non- or anti-Christian: the primitive pagan humanism of ancient Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome, and the sophisticated secular humanism of revolutionary France, the Soviet Union, Red China, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and other modern secular states. Humanism is and always has been a recipe for political terror and tyranny.

The only hope for the return of political liberty and the free society it fosters is a return to orthodox, Biblical Christianity. Christianity is not merely a matrix in which political freedom flourishes; it is the only foundation on which to build a free society.
 

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Christians should stay out of politics/government as Christians have no earthly government. Our kingdom is that of heaven. That doesn't mean we can't let our voice be heard in public affairs - to the contrary we have an obligation as the salt of the earth to speak out for what is right and to bring people over to truth, love, and justice. However, to do so we must necessarily stay away from politics and politicians - a realm ruled not by reason or truth but by worldly power, rhetoric (in place of reason), and lies.
 

Jul Must

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The Most High already rules the kingdoms of men. He ordains many willing humans to bring about His decrees. We can do naught but follow our destiny.

As a member of the Kingdom of Heaven I abhor earthly politics. But there are more than enough vessels who happily embrace association with "the lowest of men".

Dan 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the command by the word of the holy ones, so that the living may know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men and gives it to whomever He will. And He sets up over it the lowest of men.
 

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The Most High already rules the kingdoms of men. He ordains many willing humans to bring about His decrees. We can do naught but follow our destiny.

As a member of the Kingdom of Heaven I abhor earthly politics. But there are more than enough vessels who happily embrace association with "the lowest of men".

Dan 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the command by the word of the holy ones, so that the living may know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men and gives it to whomever He will. And He sets up over it the lowest of men.
 

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Christians should stay out of politics/government as Christians have no earthly government.

This is baloney, who, or where did you get that idea?


Our kingdom is that of heaven. That doesn't mean we can't let our voice be heard in public affairs - to the contrary we have an obligation as the salt of the earth to speak out for what is right and to bring people over to truth, love, and justice.
Then we should have a voice in the political system?

However, to do so we must necessarily stay away from politics and politicians - a realm ruled not by reason or truth but by worldly power, rhetoric (in place of reason), and lies.
Oh, so, now we are back in the closet, like those you do not deserve to be heard? Why not be in politics, you think all politicians are bound to be corrupt?
 

Buzzword

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I find it fascinating that the conservatives want everyone involved in politics, and everyone else stays out of it for various reasons.

During the Bush era, a friend remarked that the people who wanted everything to stay the way it was (ie screwed up) were voting in droves, and the people who recognized the flaws also believed their vote didn't matter, and thus were staying home on election day.
 

csuguy

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This is baloney, who, or where did you get that idea?

John 15:19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

1 John 2:15-17 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father[a] is not in them. 16 For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world. 17 The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.

We are not of the world, we have not earthly kingdom. Our kingdom is the kingdom of heaven.

Then we should have a voice in the political system?

No. We should have a voice amongst the public, not in the political system. Influencing the public will, of course, carry over into politics; but that should not be our goal. Our concern should not be forcing our morality on others via the government but working with individuals and getting them to see the truth.

Oh, so, now we are back in the closet, like those you do not deserve to be heard? Why not be in politics, you think all politicians are bound to be corrupt?

You can be a public voice without being political. One need not be political to influence people; to the contrary, politics is the worse way to influence people's opinions since the "debate" therein is comprised of rhetoric vs real arguments.
 
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