It makes Biblical sense.
Malachi 3:2-3 2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: 3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness. |
Malachi 3:17-18 17 And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. 18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. |
Titus 2:11-14 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. |
James 1:5 5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. |
How many times have YOU became borned again? how often have you became a new creature? er how many times must Christ die on the cross for your sins?
Many are called, but only those that answer that call and are properly attired will be chosen.
Matthew 22:11-14 11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen. |
Leviticus 11:33 33 And every earthen vessel, whereinto any of them falleth, whatsoever is in it shall be unclean; and ye shall break it. |
Job 23:10 10 But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold. |
Nothing has changed, all my hope and faith are in Him.
It is not a "maybe" salvation, it is a conditional salvation.
John 8:31 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; |
Colossians 1:21-23 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; |
There is no contradiction.
There are plenty of ifs surrounding salvation. Look them up sometime.
Look at what you did. You based your entire salvation on one moment in time when you may have TRULY believed.
Revelation 14:12 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. |
The conditional salvationists who fall away know the consequences. The OSAS believers that don't know salvation is conditional always have problems knowing whether there really was a specific moment in time when they TRULY believed.
Paul never once suggested that that man could be saved unless his carnal nature was destroyed.
When I believed in OSAS? Way too many.
As we have agreed God will chastise the wilful sinner...even to the destruction of the flesh, and if the assembly were worth it's salt it would act to remove such persons until they repent. That was Paul's way. God bless youMany are called, but only those that answer that call and are properly attired will be chosen.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
How often I say [an it is an historical fact] that conditional salvation is the child but freewill the mother and father. Conditional salvation comes from freewill doctrine, a theology which is centred upon man and his will, his decisions and his doings his choosings.
Our theology begins with God and His choosings, many are called but few chosen...this man chose himself. The garments he wore were his own, garments HE had worked and paid for. Our robes are the robes of righteousness wholly provided by our gracious Lord, they fit us right well and are GLORIOUS,they are luxuriously scented with cassia and mhyrr [sic] For us God began the work, He will finish it and He will do all the carrying on of it until it is completed.
No wonder we shout for joy.
33 And every earthen vessel, whereinto any of them falleth, whatsoever is in it shall be unclean; and ye shall break it.
Yes we love the law, but our earthen vessel is filled with treasure...even Christ....not a ferret and the chameleon, the tortoise, the mouse or yet the weasel..[lev:11.29-31]Job 23:10
10 But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold.
Job never claimed his own righteousness but the righteousness of his Redeemer. His faith ws in the blood sacrifice.
Nothing has changed, all my hope and faith are in Him.
I am not saying I am already saved and have no more need of Him.
This contradicts what all else you say, it IS a MASSIVE contradiction in terms for if you believe in Him you ARE saved for faith in Christ IS salvation and eternal life.
It is not a "maybe" salvation, it is a conditional salvation.
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
But you are not continuing in His words for Jesus never adds this word "conditional" but "He who hears My word and believes in Him who sent HAS eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day"Colossians 1:21-23
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
hath HE reconciled in the body of His flesh through death...
All is done here by Him..."he hath sanctified for all time by a single offering..."
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
But you are not continuing in the faith, you are moving away from your first hope which you heard. [but God is gracious]
There is no contradiction.
There is no way to earn salvation by relying on works.
The only way for any of us to gain salvation is by Jesus giving it as a reward to those He looks upon with favor (grace).
The only way to have Jesus look upon you with favor is to do the will of the Father, which is faith as expressed in our works and our hearts.
What a contradiction [talk about weasels falling into vessels] there is a weasel here somewhere.
There are plenty of ifs surrounding salvation. Look them up sometime.
If you believe this is the only if and if you believe not that is the only but
Look at what you did. You based your entire salvation on one moment in time when you may have TRULY believed.
My salvation is based on Him calling and me answering His call in the manner He commanded.
But my dear Gen the believing WAS for salvation, that is what I called upon Him for, for LIFE for salvation...why do you complain because that is what I recieved?
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Patience is good and nice, I am glad you mentioned it
The conditional salvationists who fall away know the consequences. The OSAS believers that don't know salvation is conditional always have problems knowing whether there really was a specific moment in time when they TRULY believed.Well that is an HUGE subject on it's own dear Gen...I do hear some very strange and vague testimonies...they all seem to come from your camp, not from the free grace camp. We know the day of our espousals, we remember very well the moment we were brought out from the domain of Satan and transported in the kingdom of God's dear Son
Paul never once suggested that that man could be saved unless his carnal nature was destroyed.
He was in fact restored fully to fellowship upon Paul's instruction...but I am one who believes in holiness, I believe God will punish wilful sin in His people. That all is another topic and different to the one in hand.
When I believed in OSAS? Way too many.
Since I chose to see what the scriptures actually said about conditional salvation, there hasn't been a problem.
Yep. It is too bad OSAS fools people without root and without works (fruit) into thinking that they are already saved.
Everything you say here is true.
I can't see how you came up with that from the scriptures.
I believe what is written in the scriptures. The scriptures say true believers guard themselves (1 John 5:18). The scriptures say the way we commit the keeping of our soul to Jesus is through well doing (1 Peter 4:19). The scriptures say we are to keep ourselves unspotted by the world (James 1:27).
The problem is not that I can see that salvation is conditional.
2 Timothy 2:12 NASB 12 If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us; |