One with a high degree of biblical assurance is not risking falling away just because they doctrinally, biblically believe it is theoretically possible vs impossible:hammer:
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One with a high degree of biblical assurance is not risking falling away just because they doctrinally, biblically believe it is theoretically possible vs impossible:hammer:
BTW...this is not talking about our eternal salvation. It is talking about the coming tribulations and our physical life. Read it in context and you should be able to see what Jesus was talking about. Otherwise, we should all wish our days would be shortened just in case we mess up before we die.
Matt. 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Judas was no more a believer than the coming Antichrist...they are both sons of perdition.
Again, you don't have a clue what it means to REST in the Lord, and we don't "guard" the deposit of the Holy Spirit. We guard the Truth the Holy Spirit has revealed to us....which means we speak up against those false teachers who deny the Truth of the Word of God. Plucking a verse out of context always results in the same error you continue to put forth.
2 Timothy 1:12-14
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
He BECAME such in the end, but was not predestined from eternity past to be so, was not born that way, was not chosen as an apostle in that state. Do you think he was full of Satan at all times or do you believe the chronology of the Bible that it happened after his downward spiral?
I already asked you, but you did not answer. Refresh my memory. Are you Calvinistic in your paradigm?
One must be fully persuaded that God is able to perform what He has promised....not that we must help Him. If one is not fully persuaded, then his faith does NOT justify him before God. Staggering at the Promises of God IS unbelief.
Romans 4:20
He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Those who have their sins blotted out are written in the Lamb's Book of life and Jesus has promised He will NOT blot them out of His book. If you notice there are books (plural).
So, yes, there certainly are many who are have passed from death unto life, and when Christ appears, we also will appear with Him in glory. Don't wait....today may be your last. The gate is narrow, you must be carried through, trusting in Him alone...not in yourself. If you are waiting to see whether you endure by any merit of your own, you'll have waited too long.
Colossians 3:2-4
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
AMEN, GM. :thumb:
It's called staggering at the Promises of God....that He is able to perform....that He needs our help. That is NOT what being saved by grace through faith is all about. Man forever wants the glory for his own salvation.
He is talking to believers, not apostates (other contexts deal with former believers). So, proof texting a verse about our promises/privileges as believers (who die as believers also) does not negate ones that show the possibility of falling away and being lumped in with unbelievers.
Calvinists say that faith is a work if it is not a result of causative regeneration. TULIP is unbiblical, illogical, problematic.
Just as receiving the gift of eternal life by grace through faith is not a work (grace is Godward grounds and faith is manward conditions), so continuing in the faith is NOT a work. It is the nature of saving faith, but not automatic (someone can cease to believe and reject Christ and His work later). We are not saved or kept by works, but by faith, the kind that continues vs ceases (ceased faith is actually unbelief, the antithesis of saving faith).
No, I am not Calvinistic, nor is believing in the security of the believer Calvin's truth. It is the Truth of the Word of God. He lucked out on that one, although he added to that truth by claiming God chooses some and not others. We "persevere" because we are His workmanship, having placed our faith in Jesus Christ. We are saved because we are IN the Elect ONE, and for no other reason.
No, I don't believe Judas was full of satan when he was chosen as a disciple, but he was chosen because his heart was hard already and God knew that. Just as God raised up pharoah, who already had a heart that was hard, and used him for a purpose.
Excellent post!
Yes, God has ordained that we should do good works. They are evidence that we are His workmanship....not done through striving in our own efforts, but as we're moved by the Holy Spirit.
A believer is one who has been fully persuaded, had a heart circumcised by the Spirit, and is sealed by the Spirit unto the day of redemption. A believer is one who has passed from death unto life. There is NO DOUBT a believer will never come under condemnation for the simple fact that it's promised in the Word. Once a believer, always a believer.... if indeed they were truly saved to begin with.
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
IMJerusha
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So Yeshua did not die on the cross for all mankind?...That is what you are stating. He did not secure the salvation of all people's. And everything that Yeshua said about needing to do the Father's Will or needing to remain in Him is just a pile of hooey? That is what you are stating. You state unequivocally that Yeshua did not die for whoever does not believe the OSAS doctrine. According to you, salvation is in the OSAS doctrine...not in the work of Yeshua on the cross.
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I guess you can't read...no wonder you have trouble understanding what the Word tells you quite plainly.
Jesus went to the cross so that whoever trusts in Him for salvation will be saved. Trusting in Him....not in oneself is the entire key to saving faith. So, don't try to tell me what I'm stating since you obviously interpret my words the same way you do the scripture...with a set of blinders of your own design.
IMJerusha
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Yeshua died for all, God wanting none to perish and apparently, you don't believe that. Whether all accept Yeshua for who He is and what He did is something else entirely. I choose to accept Yeshua's blood for my salvation and to remain in Him with the help of Ruach HaKodesh. Every time you tell someone they have no assurance of salvation, you deny the work of Yeshua on their behalf. Every time you have stated that, you have told Yeshua that His sacrifice wasn't adequate for that person.
Pharaoh hardened his own heart before God further judicially hardened it. This is also not a matter of personal salvation since freedom and responsibility are not tampered with.
Apparently to who? You, who can't even understand what I post much less what Scripture says?
Put up or shut up. Where have I ever said Jesus didn't die for all or where I've even suggested God wants any to perish.
If you are IN CHRIST, it is He who keeps you. Your choice to be obedient or not only affects how much chastening you receive.
That's the biggest bunch of malarkey I've heard from you yet. Paul says to examine yourself whether you be in the faith. That's exactly what I'm telling you and all the others who have no assurance of salvation. The opposite of assurance is doubt. Doubt is what you preach since you have made it clear a believer can lose his salvation. Or is it only "those other guys" that might lose their salvation...not someone like you who is so much holier than everyone else?
One must be fully persuaded that Jesus saves and that HE ALONE is the Saviour. You don't stay saved because you "choose" to remain in Him. If you are His, you have been bought and paid for and have already surrendered yourself to His keeping.
No, you're the one who claims Jesus' sacrifice isn't adequate. You claim you have to add something to that work on the cross. You claim you have to help Jesus keep you unto the day of redemption. You prove you don't trust Him to do the work in you.
That's what I said. Judas was raised up for a purpose. His heart was already hard. Jesus knew when He chose Judas that he didn't believe....he came in as a false friend to eat at Jesus' table. That was the very reason Judas was chosen. Judas had an evil heart when he was chosen....he was never a believer who "fell away."
John 12:4-6
Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.