toldailytopic: Most experts predict the Democrats will suffer huge losses in the Nov.

[WandererInFog]

1) The Democrats were elected on promises to fix the economy and have failed to do. While obviously no one could fix all of the major economic problems facing the US in a scant two years, the public's reaction here isn't quite as unreasonable as some would imply as the Democrats made a lot of unrealistic promises, such as Obama stating unemployment would never rise above 8% if the stimulus passed, and are now going to be held to account for them.

2) The leftmost portion Democratic base is demoralized due to have completely unrealistic expectations of what the Democrats would be able to accomplish. For example, they saw the raw number of seats that the Democrats held in the House and assumed they'd be able to pass any extremely left-leaning measure they wanted to, whereas the reality was that the more moderate Blue Dog coalition made up such a large portion of their majority, that nothing could pass without getting a majority of them to sign onto it. A lot of that far-left portion is simply going to stay home and not vote now.

 

[Memento Mori]

1) The Democrats were elected on promises to fix the economy and have failed to do. While obviously no one could fix all of the major economic problems facing the US in a scant two years, the public's reaction here isn't quite as unreasonable as some would imply as the Democrats made a lot of unrealistic promises, such as Obama stating unemployment would never rise above 8% if the stimulus passed, and are now going to be held to account for them.

2) The leftmost portion Democratic base is demoralized due to have completely unrealistic expectations of what the Democrats would be able to accomplish. For example, they saw the raw number of seats that the Democrats held in the House and assumed they'd be able to pass any extremely left-leaning measure they wanted to, whereas the reality was that the more moderate Blue Dog coalition made up such a large portion of their majority, that nothing could pass without getting a majority of them to sign onto it. A lot of that far-left portion is simply going to stay home and not vote now.

Democrats not only have alienated their own base but have feared ostracizing the republican base to the point of inertia.

 

[Alate_One]

Which lies are those?

Lets see, Death Panels, Obama is a Muslim, Obama wasn't born in the U.S., Obama is a communist/socialist, the healthcare bill is a "government takeover", allowing tax cuts on those making over $250,000 per year will hurt a substantial number of small businesses.

I could go on but I'm already tired . . . . .

 

[TomO]

Lets see, Death Panels,

:nono: Not a lie...but a disingenuous argument nonetheless. There will always be cost controls which will have the same effect be it Government or private health coverage.

Obama is a Muslim,

:think: Yeah....that's pretty much a lie, but I don't believe that he has ever heard the Gospel either.

Obama wasn't born in the U.S.,

Didn't Hillary start that one? lain:

Obama is a communist/socialist,

Why don't you people ever admit what you are?

Favors socialist policies, surrounded by socialists, raised by socialists..etc..etc

Do you really think he's a Capitalist? :chuckle:

the healthcare bill is a "government takeover",

No sure if it is yet....I'm sure it grabs a chunk. I really don't know enough about it yet and am having a devil of a time finding out. Whyizzat?
I do know Obama favors a single payer, universal, tax supported healthcare system. What do you suppose that is? :think:

Can you say incremental-ism?

allowing tax cuts on those making over $250,000 per year will hurt a substantial number of small businesses

.

:yawn: Well it certainly isn't going to help too many of them.

....but I really don't care too much about that anyway.

I could go on but I'm already tired . . . . .

Yeah....so am I. The only thing more tiring than wading through exaggerations and lies is listening to the Kool-aid drinkers who ignore the lies from the other side and the truth at the core of the exaggerations.

 

[Alate_One]

:nono: Not a lie...but a disingenuous argument nonetheless. There will always be cost controls which will have the same effect be it Government or private health coverage.

No, its a lie. Cost controls are not death panels in any sense.

:think: Yeah....that's pretty much a lie, but I don't believe that he has ever heard the Gospel either.

I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the
redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that
faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But
most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding
the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of
these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say,
but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these
issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey.
Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my
conduct and my values and my ideals.

From an interview published in Christianity Today.

Didn't Hillary start that one? lain:

First I've heard of it if so . . . got a cite?

Why don't you people ever admit what you are?

I don't know who exactly you're including in the "you people". But the right has made it plainly obvious they don't know what socialism is.

Favors socialist policies, surrounded by socialists, raised by socialists..etc..etc

Do you really think he's a Capitalist?

The antonym of socialism isn't capitalism . . . He's not left enough for the left, he's yet to pass anything that's remotely "socialist" do you REALLY think he's massively out of step with the American public?

No sure if it is yet....I'm sure it grabs a chunk. I really don't know enough about it yet and am having a devil of a time finding out. Whyizzat?

It doesn't "grab" anything. If anything its far too much in the pocket of private insurance. Its really not hard at all to find out about the legislation.

from CBS news

From the white house

I do know Obama favors a single payer, universal, tax supported healthcare system. What do you suppose that is?

That isn't what the health care bill is at all, and he never promoted single payer, much to the chagrin of the true left.

 

[TomO]

No, its a lie. Cost controls are not death panels in any sense.

From an interview published in Christianity Today.

This could easily degenerate into a argument setting the true Social Justice of OUR LORD with the Liberation Theology spam which Obama sat under for lo those many years. Suffice it to say I see no profit in going there as the issue cannot be settled.

First I've heard of it if so . . . got a cite?

Nah, not really...the early "Birthers" were Hillary supporters back in 2008. I'm just pokin' ya is all.

I don't know who exactly you're including in the "you people". But the right has made it plainly obvious they don't know what socialism is.

Don't worry, they will learn when the glorious workers paradise rises from the ashes of the corrupt capitalist oppressor pig system.

The antonym of socialism isn't capitalism . . . He's not left enough for the left, he's yet to pass anything that's remotely "socialist" do you REALLY think he's massively out of step with the American public?

Seems like he is with alot of 'em to be honest. Remember the "I" word. :juggle:

It doesn't "grab" anything. If anything its far too much in the pocket of private insurance. Its really not hard at all to find out about the legislation.

from CBS news

Oh, is that all. Funny that they needed all those pages for just that.

From the white house

Yeah...I been there. My favorite part of that site is when you hit the link for the full text and it 404's. :thumb:

That isn't what the health care bill is at all, and he never promoted single payer, much to the chagrin of the true left.

...but I didn't say that was what he was currently promoting. What I said was that it's what he wants. The "I" word again.

Obamessiah

 

[Ktoyou]

capitalist oppressor pig system? I wonder what the pigs think about this? My guess, not much.

 

[Alate_One]

This could easily degenerate into a argument setting the true Social Justice of OUR LORD with the Liberation Theology spam which Obama sat under for lo those many years. Suffice it to say I see no profit in going there as the issue cannot be settled.

But do you not at least agree he got the very basic idea of the gospel message?

Oh, is that all. Funny that they needed all those pages for just that.

So it's not the massive government takeover you thought it was? :chuckle:

Yeah...I been there. My favorite part of that site is when you hit the link for the full text and it 404's. :thumb:

Heh so it does. Here's the full text All 2310 pages :shocked:

...but I didn't say that was what he was currently promoting. What I said was that it's what he wants. The "I" word again.

Too bad it didn't get in the bill, you might have been partly right about that "government takeover" thing . . .

 

[Stripe]

The "I" word again.

I .. I ... Interview?

Imperialism?

I?

Idiot?

... OH! Inkamentalism.

Gottit. :thumb:

 

[TomO]

Heh so it does. Here's the full text All 2310 pages :shocked:

Cool, Thanks :e4e:

Plain: Yeah....I'm going to have to stop looking for abbreviated versions of things, you just get someone else's opinions. It's kind of hard to find something which cites key portions without promoting an agenda. From kicking about I also noticed you can get stuff directly from the House printing office...cool beans.)

Too bad it didn't get in the bill, you might have been partly right about that "government takeover" thing . . .

Give 'em time.

 

[WandererInFog]

First I've heard of it if so . . . got a cite?

Whether or not her campaign started it single-handedly is debatable, but they certainly played a role in it by starting the rumor he attended a school run by radical muslims while in Indonesia:

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-01-22/...-school-madrassa-muslim-school?_s=PM:POLITICS

and tried to capitalize on it including sending out pictures of him in traditional Somali garb:

http://www.whudat.com/newsblurbs/mo...ates_photo_of_muslim_barack_obama_1680225082/

 

[Nick M]

Lets see, Death Panels, Obama is a Muslim, Obama wasn't born in the U.S., Obama is a communist/socialist, the healthcare bill is a "government takeover", allowing tax cuts on those making over $250,000 per year will hurt a substantial number of small businesses.

I could go on but I'm already tired . . . . .

Obama isn't a muslim, he is an atheistic communist. Other than those in the White House fanning nearly nonexistant natural born flames, what lies?

 

[PlastikBuddha]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/poll-1-in-5-americans-believe-obama-is-a-cactus,18127/
:jawdrop:

 

[The Berean]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/poll-1-in-5-americans-believe-obama-is-a-cactus,18127/
:jawdrop:

Unless you can show me a cactus birth certificate I won't believe it.

 

[pattybarnes]

The democrats haven't figured out how to or that they need to actually explain their health care legislation or why the bailout was necessary or how the stimulus spending actually saved us from a depression.

People have very short fuses when it comes to the economy, they seem to forget that no matter what government does, it can't fix the economy within a two year span . . .

However I don't think the picture is quite as bad as advertised due to the above not playing well with moderates.

I couldn't agree more! The short fuse is what got us into this entire mess (in my opinion anyway) and I wish people would take a second and really weight the benefits/drawbacks when debating an issue. I know that I never dreamed a debate over affordable health insurance would divide the country so completely. It's pretty sad when you think about it.

 

[pattybarnes]

Unless you can show me a cactus birth certificate I won't believe it.

LOL LOL LOL :first:

 

[pattybarnes]

Whether or not her campaign started it single-handedly is debatable, but they certainly played a role in it by starting the rumor he attended a school run by radical muslims while in Indonesia:

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-01-22/...-school-madrassa-muslim-school?_s=PM:POLITICS

and tried to capitalize on it including sending out pictures of him in traditional Somali garb:

http://www.whudat.com/newsblurbs/mo...ates_photo_of_muslim_barack_obama_1680225082/

Good info that I was ignorant of. Thanks.