toldailytopic: Most experts predict the Democrats will suffer huge losses in the Nov.
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lain: Delmar, the death panels are already here in the form of private health insurance.I'm not in any way for government run health care but this is a disingenuous arguement, and always has been. :nono:
*Implying the left are sane and truthful.* :chuckle:
I think you mean "Death Panels", and it was Sarah Palin who was operating them in Alaska:
Flashback: Sarah Palin Has Her Own “Death Panel” Problem
As you know, Sarah Palin managed to gin up a bunch of media attention last week by claiming that health care reform would result in Obama “death panels” that might kill off her Down Syndrome baby based on his poor “level of productivity in society.”
If Palin is going to go this way, perhaps it’s fair game for her critics to point out that Palin — or, at least, the state of Alaska — has a “death panel” problem of its own.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/p...-sarah-palin-has-her-own-death-panel-problem/
However, there is no such provisions in the health care reform law. That's just a story.
Won't matter, though. Unemployment is still high, and if the democrats don't lose control of both houses of Congress, the republicans will have blown it.
Four O'Clock
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I've been leaning towards a six year one term Constitutional amendment for some time now.
Four O'Clock
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You're right; extremists on both sides are dishonest morons...
Sad thing is the Republicans and Democrats are going to continue getting votes.
Why? Polling data. Beyond that, we're into crystal-ball gazing (aka "scientific" polls).
Analogous to Daniel 4:4-7 (KJV).
Which lies are those?
Nydhogg
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Master Yoda used to say "Do it or don't. Do not try to do it." He hit the nail on the head. Democrats don't DO stuff, they only try.
The biggest problem the Democrats have is that they don't actually know what they want to achieve or how. Sure, they want vague good things as "affordable healthcare", "a safety net", et al. However, they're totally and absolutely clueless when it gets around to actually doing it.
Mostly because the ways for achieving stuff a faction of the Democrats would try (take for example the public option) are completely unacceptable for, say, the Blue Dogs. Eventually they make a "compromise solution" that is neither a compromise nor a solution.
Their buzzword-based political strategy eventually has to mean means this:
Democrats totally suck and have sucked roughly since Carter at explaining in detail what are they doing, how and why. The most thought-out response about "how does this particular reform achieve our objectives?" will be "This is all we've been able to strong-arm the socialist/conservative Dems into"
Since they don't know what, how or why they're doing it, they're quite vulnerable to the Right's almost slanderous rhetoric, because they can't respond. They could, if they actually had a rationale for policy or a strategy.
But they don't.
The simply compromise (with each other) paying no attention to whether the resulting compromise achieves the goals the original proposals were designed for.
Anyway their Senate majority is huge. I predict the GOP takes the House (and grinds to a screeching halt while moderate GOPers, Tea Party christofascists and populist Libertarians serially and violently backstab each other for control of the party apparatus), while Democrats keep a not-that-impressive control of the Senate.
2012's legislative and presidential elections will roughly fall on who gets to successfully blame who on the total gridlock.
The biggest problem the Democrats have is that they don't actually know what they want to achieve or how. Sure, they want vague good things as "affordable healthcare", "a safety net", et al. However, they're totally and absolutely clueless when it gets around to actually doing it.
Mostly because the ways for achieving stuff a faction of the Democrats would try (take for example the public option) are completely unacceptable for, say, the Blue Dogs. Eventually they make a "compromise solution" that is neither a compromise nor a solution.
Their buzzword-based political strategy eventually has to mean means this:
Democrats totally suck and have sucked roughly since Carter at explaining in detail what are they doing, how and why. The most thought-out response about "how does this particular reform achieve our objectives?" will be "This is all we've been able to strong-arm the socialist/conservative Dems into"
Since they don't know what, how or why they're doing it, they're quite vulnerable to the Right's almost slanderous rhetoric, because they can't respond. They could, if they actually had a rationale for policy or a strategy.
But they don't.
The simply compromise (with each other) paying no attention to whether the resulting compromise achieves the goals the original proposals were designed for.
Anyway their Senate majority is huge. I predict the GOP takes the House (and grinds to a screeching halt while moderate GOPers, Tea Party christofascists and populist Libertarians serially and violently backstab each other for control of the party apparatus), while Democrats keep a not-that-impressive control of the Senate.
2012's legislative and presidential elections will roughly fall on who gets to successfully blame who on the total gridlock.
we actually want gridlock
so let's see who can take credit for it
no more bills, no more taxes, just send them home and don't reelect them
Nydhogg
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Unless stuff HAS to be done. Neither the GOP nor the Dems are currently willing to cooperate with each other even for the most vital, immediate, trivial stuff.
If only the furthest left Democrats stand, and a new batch of religious lunatics takes a hold on the House, along with the established further right GOPers and some populist libertarians who ride the wave... (which is quite likely)
Our current political situation will look as open cooperation and brotherhood in comparison.
Then the gridlock will be harmful for both. Obama is an expert of the blame game, by the way. It won't be pretty, but it'll surely be fun to watch.
Best possible strategy for the GOP would have been to nominate a few far righters in the more wingnutty districts, and launch a whole lot of hardline fiscal conservatives and (small l) libertarians everywhere else.
Then they would have all the odds of getting an overwhelming majority in 2012 and, assuming a Brown/Palin or even Palin/Brown combo, the Presidency in a landslide.
Odds are the much-hyped Tea Party tsunami in 2010 would be VERY harmful for the GOP in the long run.
If only the furthest left Democrats stand, and a new batch of religious lunatics takes a hold on the House, along with the established further right GOPers and some populist libertarians who ride the wave... (which is quite likely)
Our current political situation will look as open cooperation and brotherhood in comparison.
Then the gridlock will be harmful for both. Obama is an expert of the blame game, by the way. It won't be pretty, but it'll surely be fun to watch.
Best possible strategy for the GOP would have been to nominate a few far righters in the more wingnutty districts, and launch a whole lot of hardline fiscal conservatives and (small l) libertarians everywhere else.
Then they would have all the odds of getting an overwhelming majority in 2012 and, assuming a Brown/Palin or even Palin/Brown combo, the Presidency in a landslide.
Odds are the much-hyped Tea Party tsunami in 2010 would be VERY harmful for the GOP in the long run.
Dear Lord. Please do not let major political parties ever start working together. Amen.
it appears that many of you are not aware that the democrats have a virtual lock on
unions
teachers
lawyers
blacks
environmental wackos
so the only chance republicans have is when the electorate is really mad like now
unions
teachers
lawyers
blacks
environmental wackos
so the only chance republicans have is when the electorate is really mad like now
I will have you know I am a capitalist, yet I would rather buy a UAW product than a Chinese one at substantialy lower cost.
Amen to that, Brother! However, I fear that is part of the current Washington DC melee.
Memento Mori
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I'm recalling something about a house divided against itself...
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