You don't think the emotions God programmed you with are accurate? That is possible, for everyone. Luckily, he told us where to direct that anger.
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You don't think the emotions God programmed you with are accurate? That is possible, for everyone. Luckily, he told us where to direct that anger.
Religiously weaker, perhaps. However, IMO, your inability to hate makes you a better person.
Hate means always having to say "You're sorry!" 
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Okay, I wouldn't say it's wrong, but I'd wonder at what it accomplishes and suggest that outside of God it tends to lead to a sense of being better than instead of more fortunate than, which begs for complication.
Oh, and David also slept with another man's wife. So we might not be bound by his example in all things.
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Okay, I wouldn't say it's wrong, but I'd wonder at what it accomplishes and suggest that outside of God it tends to lead to a sense of being better than instead of more fortunate than, which begs for complication.
Oh, and David also slept with another man's wife. So we might not be bound by his example in all things.
That's true but there is nothing in the context to suggest that what David was saying or feeling about hate was wrong, in fact just the opposite seems to be true.
Couple that with all the other references to hate being appropriate in certain circumstances and it seems pretty clear there is indeed a time to hate.
Ecumenicist
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Hate means always having to say "You're sorry!"
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Okay, I wouldn't say it's wrong, but I'd wonder at what it accomplishes and suggest that outside of God it tends to lead to a sense of being better than instead of more fortunate than, which begs for complication.
Oh, and David also slept with another man's wife. So we might not be bound by his example in all things.
Here's an example to consider: An addict, from a family or culture of people who are addicts, needs to reject his/her family and friends in order to find recovery. That doesn't mean emotional loathing, it means admitting weakness and rejecting the life / lifestyle that plays to that weakness.
In that sense, "hate" is actually an act of humility, admitting one's human fallibility and making decisions to "hate" or reject based on that fallibility.
Four O'Clock
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One of The Byrds classics K....
I used to tease my friends years ago saying Turn,Turn,Turn was THE only rock & roll song written by God...
Trumpetfolker
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*If to hate means to reject every aspect of another person, and,
*If one aspect of the other person is hatred, then,
You have a double negative.
In that case, we can understand why Jesus said to do good to those who hate you rather than to love those who hate you. You must hate haters by doing good to them.
As I just said to Dave in an aside, I suspect this is a contextual sort of problem. Sometimes it's wholly appropriate and other times a sign of vanity and/or pride. That said, I think we learn much more from love than we ever will from hate and the whole of Christendom is founded in Christ's sacrifice as an affirmation of that in its perfection.
Son of Jack
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I'd add that the desire to love accords with the words of Christ found in Matthew 22:37-40.
I think you make some great points, but it still seems to me that you haven't fully considered that love and hate are not equal opposites. In fact, sometimes hate is the most loving thing you can give to a wicked person. Hate is the ultimate rebuke which David described as "perfect".
It seems that we learn in the Bible that just like love, hate can be good or bad, depending on the motivation.
Here David mentions hate dispensed in a bad way...
Psalms 25:19 Consider my enemies, for they are many; And they hate me with cruel hatred.
Psalms 38:19 But my enemies are vigorous, and they are strong; And those who hate me wrongfully have multiplied.
:chuckle: I know... I can't quote that verse without humming the tune! :singer:One of The Byrds classics K....
I used to tease my friends years ago saying Turn,Turn,Turn was THE only rock & roll song written by God...
Ecumenicist
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Knight: "Stay thirsty my friend."
TH: Context is everything.
If you think about it, don't we most often hate that which is a reflection
of our own weaknesses?
In humility, we can recognize that and reject the temptation that preys on our
weaknesses.
TH: Context is everything.
If you think about it, don't we most often hate that which is a reflection
of our own weaknesses?
In humility, we can recognize that and reject the temptation that preys on our
weaknesses.
I just hate Dogma. Don't you?
Son of Jack
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I am only moderately dogmatic...:think:...or is that a dogmatic moderate...:think:...I just don't know. This fence gets so uncomfortable after a while.
So, yes and no.
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Charity
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dose one just get out of bed one morning an begin hating some one?
Hate is agitation; the individual elements, fear an Jealousy, as a hole in a casting....self perception evaluates, using awareness of the characteristics that constitute one's self.
charmers have always gained power, while the emotionally clueless play powerless reactors an are seen retaliating, often observed as the problem ....to be disciplined then by cousin contempt....
charity
Hate is agitation; the individual elements, fear an Jealousy, as a hole in a casting....self perception evaluates, using awareness of the characteristics that constitute one's self.
charmers have always gained power, while the emotionally clueless play powerless reactors an are seen retaliating, often observed as the problem ....to be disciplined then by cousin contempt....
charity
I agree sugaro, hate is a waste. I hate no one; I do hate some ideas I find absolutely despicable, not the thinker, rathah the evil of the original poisoned mind.
Thunder's Muse
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Someone once told me that you can't truly hate something unless you first truly loved it.
I think hate can mean different things.
I hate depression. I hate the lifestyle I used to live.
But I also hated other people and it drove me to the brink of insanity. I once hated myself, with much the same result.
I think hate can mean different things.
I hate depression. I hate the lifestyle I used to live.
But I also hated other people and it drove me to the brink of insanity. I once hated myself, with much the same result.
Dave, does God's word mean anything to you? Anything at all?
I just don't get why somebody who calls themselves a Christan so often rejects the plain teachings we find in the Bible.
I have made a very clear case that there are times when it is good to hate and also times when it is wrong. I have given rock-solid biblical support for my position. The very least you could do is say... "hmm, I guess I should consider this."
When you hate the action and not the actor you neuter any possible good that could come from your righteous indignation.
I hate men who rape and murder little girls. Do you hate them? Or do you just hate their crime? Should we jail and punish criminals? Or jail and punish crimes? (whatever that might mean)
God does not distinguish the actions from the actor. God says...
Proverbs 23:7 For as he thinks in his heart, so is he.
I don't agree with that.
That's true. Hate is morally neutral. It can be either good or bad depending on your motivation.
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