Yep, you've got your talking points down, it's like the Jews....great zeal without knowledge.
Romans 10:2-3 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Of course I've never known dirt to give out warmth and heat when it's thrown on a fire.
Your "overcoming sin" is like that dirt giving off warmth.
Christ overcame the world, sin, and the devil by dying on the cross. For you to claim you can do what He did....even with His "help" is wrong. And all your trite little words won't change that.
Dear glorydaz,
I'm going to say this one more time in words that I hope you can understand. You and musterion are Out Of Touch with reality. Don't be angered by my words. Try to instead listen and read what I have to say. You are the sinner who is trying to 'establish your righteousness! You are the one who is erring and you don't even fathom it. You are the one who is ignorant of God's righteousness. Please understand fully.
You do not have Jesus fully in your life yet and it's because you don't know Him quite Well ENOUGH. Like I said, don't get upset. Read. You are the ones who need to change your lives also. You are no better than many other sinners, but you don't realize it.
When the people were dying to have fun killing the adulteress by stoning her, you saw that Jesus said to forgive her and he loved her anyway, and Jesus loved her regardless of the fact that she was an adulteress, and He said, "Go, and sin no more."
Now, some of you here are just dying to go ahead and Stone a Gay Person just because you are very prejudiced. It says not to commit adultery, but Jesus was filled with Love and Understanding, and forgave and loved the adulteress, regardless that she had just come from having sex with a dude.
It also says not to be effeminate or be gay, but Jesus would still Accept the gay person/people and pardon or forgive the gay person, and He would love them and tell them to go and sin no more, just like He did the adulteress. So you all have to start realizing that you think you have Jesus, but you do not Keep All Of His Doctrine, which includes to forgive and love gay people. That is where part of your problems lie.
What kind of angel or servant of God are you going to make if you can't love sinners? A lousy one. God doesn't want lousy ones and Jesus doesn't either. You claim to know Jesus' doctrine, but you do NOT practice it. He says love the sinners that you meet, forgive them and let them learn and strive to not keep the fact that they are gay. Start loving them and pardoning them like Jesus did the adulteress, and the thief on the cross next to Jesus, who said, remember me when you get to Your Kingdom. Jesus said, you will be there with me in Paradise. Jesus didn't hate the thief and said the thief would share Paradise with him that very day! Jesus would have done the same thing if, instead of a thief, it was a gay guy or gal on the cross next to Him. He would forgive and love!
You and musterion, and others here are NOT THAT WAY!! You want to hate the gays and other people, instead of loving them regardless of their sins and helping them learn how to change, give the a boost in their morale and tell them they can change. It may take them awhile to change. You can't expect them to change in one day, just because they happen to be that way. They don't know any other way to be except how and who their heart loves, which happens to be the same sex. God and Jesus, they love them while they are sinners, regardless if they can't change very easily.
To someone who is gay, they figure they are just that way, and they can't change. They would rather just remain the way they are and give up a place in Heaven because of it. It is because they love others with a real love of their same sex. That love is stronger than any love you all seem to be feeling. It's deeper love and it's proper, and elected to be the way that God and Jesus want you all to be and believe in.
So, I hope you got this now. It also applies to fornicators. Fornicators need to change too. They sometimes need the right time and ingredients to change their sins. You had to change some of your ways to supposedly be SAVED, or were you just someone who had no sins?? Don't flatter yourself such. We are all sinners down here and we have to learn to love each other deeply and truly, and work together on changing people's sins or errors, mistakes, etc. Quit being so very hateful of gay people, for it doesn't become you and you are not feeling the way God and Jesus feel about the situation and their love towards someone who is gay.
I am not trying to say anything but to treat people like you'd want to be treated. And Jesus said to love your brother or neighbor, not to hate them. You might not like their ways, but they might not like your ways either. Still, you forgive each other and love each other respectfully and with a true love, so that person can change their sins when they are able to.
So there you go, glorydaz. You are screwing up with the ideas of what you Think God Wants. He wants you to change your ways. You are the one who does not know Him well enough, and you do not Keep His Ways when He taught you instead to Love Each Other and Forgive Each Others Sins. Get it right for a change. This is how I instruct you and let you know that you have no power in Jesus until you learn how He would want you to act and carry yourself.
This is not just about gay people. It's about women who have abortions. Love the woman, just not the fact that she is aborting/killing the life in her womb. It is also about people who have sex with more than one partner, guy or girl. They are fornicators because they are supposed to get married if they have sex with each other. God says if a man lays with a woman, he should take her to be his wife. That way there are no unwanted births or kids, and they are faithful and loyal to each other. You don't go to try to find the woman who you would rather have more. You don't go pick and choose.
But God and Jesus, they love the fornicators anyways, because they are sinners and don't realize fully what they are doing. All of them sinners!! You love them and treat them with respect and you don't harp on them about their dang sins or you don't want to ACCEPT them because they are sinning by being gay, or divorced, or whatever reasons you have for not loving and forgiving someone unconditionally. Let them overcome their sins with time, just like you did. You surely are not perfect and I can tell that by the way you THINK you know Jesus and you really do not. The power of Christ that you claim to possess is tainted by the fact that you are hateful towards people that have a sin that you don't have.
Do you get it now? Love the sinner and wait for them to put their sins away from themselves. It is also a sin to abuse alcohol, but Noah got drunk, right? God loved him regardless. Yippee, he got drunk. Fine. That doesn't mean you go and hate him. That's because you probably drank alcohol too. Perhaps that makes it easier to love them regardless of their sin, because you had the same problem. Well, you don't have the same problem or sin as the gay people, but you should love them anyways, and quit wanting to STONE THEM. That is Barbaric!! That is from the OLD COVENTANT!! Jesus changed the Covenant into Love and Forgiving Each Other, instead of the hard rules that God put down initially in the Bible. God did that so we would know how to live. But if we have sin, God now chooses for us to pardon each others sins, and love each other.
Are you and musterion finally able enough to do that?! Love the thief, or rapist, or abortionist and urge them to change their ways and eliminate their sins as they are able. Love the killer or murderer, and hate his sins, and abhor his actions. But still, love him and teach him how to change his ways and be done with his individual sins!! Love everyone that you are able to. I'm not saying to love what they did!! I'm saying love them regardless of the sins they committed. How can they change if you won't love them like an angel does, or Jesus does? Who will teach them how to change? Get your angel wings, hon!!
I am not saying you all are not still loved by God and Jesus. But you have some personal actions and beliefs that are archaic and wrong. You commit your errors in Christ, because of your missing feelings and your UNCONDITIONAL love with forgiveness. The Lord loved Cain, even though he killed his brother, Abel. How much more can you be like God by doing the same thing that He did? It is atrocious that he killed his brother, but he probably did not know that hitting Abel with a stone on the head would cause him to die and his spirit of life leave his body. Cain found out that he was wrong and didn't kill again, so God set a seal upon his forehead that he should not be killed for it! WISE UP and CHANGE YOUR DOCTRINE!! For it is not how Jesus would have you act or carry yourself.
I don't know how else to show you that you are not saved by Jesus until you learn what you are doing way wrong! You are the ones who need help and clarification of how to live your lives properly. I know that the way I think is how God and Jesus want me to think and act! You do not love and forgive in each instance, when you should. You heard of the Las Vegas shootings. Well, God still loves the man who did it, for the man evidently did not truly know Better or he wouldn't have done it in the first place. So, God still DOES LOVE HIM, but HATES what he did by killing all of those people that he did in his ill mind. The guy will pay by going to Hell for a while. Maybe he will be cast into the lake of fire. I am thinking that he might, but God is forgiving and knows how the devil gets people to do the wrong things and sin. The devil is causing the bad behavior. You do your own spirit in your soul a great injustice by carrying around such hateful ideas in your hearts and in your brains!
I am done trying to explain this. Get your own act together, and then you can tell me how Saved you are, and how the Jews are sinning too. Just let me show you how to try to change your ways! Over and out! I still love you all very much. I just don't love your ways. But I am willing to remain a member here because I see good things in every person here. But some people here err in their JUDGMENT. Let God JUDGE, okay? Just love each other. By hating each other, you let the devil into your heart and soul, and you are worse for it all. Please get it done!
Much Love And My Prayers Are That You Will Change Your Ways Also,
Michael
