There is no Hell

[CherubRam]

Again, HaShem has nothing to do with the dead. Once dead, the relation with the Lord, if there was one, is canceled forever. God ceases to exist for the dead as pronto as one has breathed his last. (Isa. 38:17-19 and Mark 12:27)

Again, there is no bodily resurrection. The true resurrection according to the Scriptures Jesus used to refer to as the Word of God, is the resurrection from exile and back to the Land of Israel. (Ezek. 37:12) If you read Isa. 53:8,9, when Jews are forced into exile, it is as if they have been cut off from the Land of the Living and graves are assigned to them among the nations. One once physically dead, he or she has no longer any account to answer for. One once dead has nothing to do with the Lord any more. Why is it so hard to obey without the odious expectation of a reward?

No one will receive immortal life; neither the living nor the dead. To be inculcated with the idea of eternal life either before or after death as a reward for behaving well in life is no different from a treat promised do a dog to behave well. I am sorry if sometimes the truth must be packaged in a paper not so attractive. Otherwise,
ears seem to have a mind of their own not to listen.

Your point of view is not Orthodox Judaism.
Genesis 4:7
If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
Hosea 6:2
After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.

 

[CherubRam]

The rich man died and he went to hades. Looking up he saw the poor beggar in Abraham's bosom. "I am in torment in this blazing fire." so give me a drop of water to cool my tongue, "No deal," said the poor beggar.

Pagan additions to the New Testament does not make a biblical truth. Hell is from Gnosticism and Paganism, it is not Orthodox to Judaism or original Christianity.

 

[chrysostom]

This is your brain on sola scriptura.

All of CherubRam's posts are great examples of that, actually.

it could be his software
but
regarding the topic
there is no hell
but
it can feel like there is here if you have no hope

 

[CherubRam]

it could be his software
but
regarding the topic there is no hell but it can feel like there is here if you have no hope

The words "grave," "pit," and "Gehenna" never, ever, translate as HELL.

Hell is a Pagan belief from Paganism. It is a sin to join Paganism to God or Christ. There are two kinds of Christians, Pagan Christians, and Judaic Christians.

 

[CherubRam]

It seems that many reject the facts and join Paganism to God. They believe their gnosis, "mystical enlightenment," is superior to everyone else. Where is sanity?:doh::dizzy:

 

[everready]

What do you call the place that was prepared for the devil and his angels?

everready

 

[CherubRam]

What do you call the place that was prepared for the devil and his angels?

everready

How can I get you guys to understand that there are words in the bible that are parabolic?


Matthew 25:41
Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

The word "FIRE" is often used as a parable to mean "JUDGEMENT."

 

[chrysostom]

What do you call the place that was prepared for the devil and his angels?

everready

what do you call the second death?

we call it the second death

 

[lifeisgood]

In conclusion, based upon 1 Samuel 28, Luke 16, and 1 Peter 3 and 4, we can conclude that throughout the Old Testament, prior to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, both the wicked and the righteous went to a place below the surface of the earth known in general as sheol in the Old Testament Hebrew and hades in the New Testament Greek.

Sheol was divided by a gulf. On one side of this gulf was a compartment known as Paradise or Abraham's Bosom where the righteous dead such as Samuel, Abraham, and the beggar Lazarus went and experienced comfort.

On the other side of this gulf was a place of imprisonment where the wicked dead and fallen angels were kept in chains and fiery torment spoken of in Jude 1 and 1 Peter 2. This place of imprisonment for the wicked was known interchangeably as Tartaros, the abyss, the pit, or the deep (abussos and phrear.)
(http://www.biblestudying.net/cosmo-5.html)

 

[CherubRam]

what do you call the second death?

we call it the second death

Revelation 20:14
Then death and (Hades / grave) were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

This verse means that death and the grave are done away with. After God does away with the condemned there will be no more dying or graves.

 

[CherubRam]

In conclusion, based upon 1 Samuel 28, Luke 16, and 1 Peter 3 and 4, we can conclude that throughout the Old Testament, prior to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, both the wicked and the righteous went to a place below the surface of the earth known in general as sheol in the Old Testament Hebrew and hades in the New Testament Greek.

Sheol was divided by a gulf. On one side of this gulf was a compartment known as Paradise or Abraham's Bosom where the righteous dead such as Samuel, Abraham, and the beggar Lazarus went and experienced comfort.

On the other side of this gulf was a place of imprisonment where the wicked dead and fallen angels were kept in chains and fiery torment spoken of in Jude 1 and 1 Peter 2. This place of imprisonment for the wicked was known interchangeably as Tartaros, the abyss, the pit, or the deep (abussos and phrear.)
(http://www.biblestudying.net/cosmo-5.html)

Did you make your post before reading this thread?

 

[CherubRam]

Here is a list of words used to mean "JUDGEMENT," in one or more places. When they are used "as or in" a parable.

Burning.
Fire.
Lightning.
Coal.
Smoke.

 

[ananomyx]

. That's in Luke 16:29-31. It means that salvation comes by the obedience to the Law which is an observable
fact.

thats kind of a bummer, since we find out in Romans that the point of the law was to show humanity that no one can actually uphold the law.

 

[CherubRam]

thats kind of a bummer, since we find out in Romans that the point of the law was to show humanity that no one can actually uphold the law.

Romans 3:31
Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

 

[ananomyx]

Romans 3:31
Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

lol. are you saying you always uphold the law? Then for what reason was Christ crucified?

 

[Right Divider]

Romans 3:31
Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Upholding the law does NOT mean fulling obeying the law.

1 Tim 1:8-11
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.​

A righteous man will NEVER point to the law for his justification.

As Paul also pointed out, the law condemns!

 

[glorydaz]

Upholding the law does NOT mean fulling obeying the law.

1 Tim 1:8-11
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.​

A righteous man will NEVER point to the law for his justification.

As Paul also pointed out, the law condemns!

Exactly. What is being "upheld" or established is the very purpose of the law. It was not ever meant to justify man. It was not meant to make men righteous. It was not meant to give man life. It's purpose was to find men guilty. Romans 3:19

 

[CherubRam]

Upholding the law does NOT mean fulling obeying the law.

1 Tim 1:8-11
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.​

A righteous man will NEVER point to the law for his justification.

As Paul also pointed out, the law condemns!

Your expression of that verse is out of context.

 

[CherubRam]

Exactly. What is being "upheld" or established is the very purpose of the law. It was not ever meant to justify man. It was not meant to make men righteous. It was not meant to give man life. It's purpose was to find men guilty. Romans 3:19

Matthew 4:4
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

What about the moral commands from God?

 

[CherubRam]

lol. are you saying you always uphold the law? Then for what reason was Christ crucified?

Christ died to fulfill prophecy and establish a New Covenant. All was done to reconcile mankind to God. The Jews in control at that time were Hellenistic Jews.