The Wall WILL Be Built

[Kit the Coyote]

So assuming that we started on it today, most experts are saying the wall will take a decade or more to build. So in five years, the wall will not have stopped a single shipment of drugs, a single caravan, a single rapist, a single people smuggler. Why is this an emergency again?

I even see things getting worse over that period as building the wall will create a network of roads and infrastructure to support it first which will be a boon to smugglers.

 

[WizardofOz]

So assuming that we started on it today, most experts are saying the wall will take a decade or more to build.

And, I'm sure land owners in Texas are just lining up to give their land up to the federal government. Well, I'm sure they'll be well armed. Funny how certain people who support a federal land grab on the border supported the Bundy's against the BLM.

Why is this an emergency again?

It's not and Trump even admitted as much:
“I could do the wall over a longer period of time,” Mr Trump said in response. “I didn’t need to do this, but I’d rather do it much faster.”

‘I didn’t need to do this’: How Trump may have sabotaged himself over national emergency Donald Trump has been threatened with legal action after he declared a national emergency. But with just six words, he may have damaged his own case.

:doh: Whoops

 

[Jonahdog]

Estimated cost of illegal aliens to America ranges from $3.3 billion to $15.6 billion A YEAR. In t years the wall pays for itself even going by the lowest estimate.

Or, one could say that we have purchased 5 walls already since Obama was elected, and all we have to show for it is untold rapes and murders instead of a wall.

Source

 

[Kit the Coyote]

President's Oath of Office:

US Constitution, Article II, Section 1 Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

The President's first and primary duty is to protect and defend the Constitution. All his other duties derive from said Constitution and thus none of them can exceed this document in priority or legality.

In the federal government of the United States, the power of the purse is vested in the Congress as laid down in the Constitution of the United States, Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 (the Appropriations Clause) and Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 (the Taxing and Spending Clause). The power of the purse plays a critical role in the relationship of the United States Congress and the President of the United States, and has been the main historic tool by which Congress has limited executive power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_of_the_purse

On 15 Feb, Congress passed a bill setting the specific amount of funds that may be spent on a border wall and sent it to President Trump who signed it. Congress acted according to its Constitutional authorities.

On 15 Feb, President Trump declared a state of emergency with the specific intent of defeating the above limits, thus violating the checks and balances built into the Constitution by the power of the purse.

That the Emergency Powers Act may have been poorly written and technically construed to say that Trump has this authority is irrelevant. The authority of all federal law derives from the Constitution and no federal law or bill less than an amendment can override the Constitution.

This action puts President Trump in violation of his oath of office. And any Republican Congressman who supports his action when the Congress acts to correct the situation will be in violation of their oaths as well.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Source

Sauce maybe...

lain:

 

[ok doser]

That the Emergency Powers Act may have been poorly written and technically construed to say that Trump has this authority is irrelevant. The authority of all federal law derives from the Constitution and no federal law or bill less than an amendment can override the Constitution.

in which case your argument should be that the emergency powers act is unconstitutional and should be found to be so by the scotus and struck down

 

[Kit the Coyote]

in which case your argument should be that the emergency powers act is unconstitutional and should be found to be so by the scotus and struck down

I would agree but for what it was intended to do it is not in violation, it is the length that Trump and others are stretching it to that is the problem. Which is why it has not been a problem before now. At a minimum, it needs to be tightened up to ensure it is not abused like this again.

 

[ok doser]

if a law allows for unconstitutional applications, it is an unconstitutional law and should be challenged on that basis

 

[Sherman]

But even $8 billion just isn't enough. So how much will this cost over the next, let's say decade?

​I looked into this. No evidence this new registrant is CC. Trump supporters are a dime a dozen. The posting style isn't a match. If I see ugly personal attacks then I will take a look again.

 

[TrumpTrainCA]

Sick disgusting progressives

 

[ok doser]

can't wait to hear Bill Maher tear into him

 

[Kit the Coyote]

if a law allows for unconstitutional applications, it is an unconstitutional law and should be challenged on that basis

Again, I agree. It is just that until now it has not been used for such applications and thus a challenge has not been raised.

An interesting point I heard yesterday is that the Emergency Powers Act was intended to impose restrictions on the President. Which is why it has several reporting requirements and the provision for Congress to cancel an emergency declaration by a simple majority vote that the leadership has to allow. The problem was nobody seems to have thought about the problem of overcoming a veto.

 

[Kit the Coyote]

Sick disgusting progressives

Well see they don't need Congress, this and the go fund me site will cover it.

 

[musterion]

[MENTION=17501]ok doser[/MENTION], this sounds like something you'd write.

https://npcdaily.com/2316/everythin...e-everywhere-america-on-democratic-socialism/

 

[TrumpTrainCA]

 

[TrumpTrainCA]

http://www.fox5ny.com/news/work-begins-to-replace-steel-mesh-layer-of-border-wall-in-san-diego

Work begins on border wall in San Diego

 

[ok doser]

[MENTION=17501]ok doser[/MENTION], this sounds like something you'd write.

https://npcdaily.com/2316/everythin...e-everywhere-america-on-democratic-socialism/

and another:

The fact that Jussie Smollett is a suspect does not make him any less of a victim
Jussie Smollet's arrest is just a symptom of a bigger problem of Trump's racist America

https://npcdaily.com/2363/the-fact-...spect-does-not-make-him-any-less-of-a-victim/

:darwinsm:


thanks musty - looks like i'm not gonna get anything else done today :chuckle:

 

[Kit the Coyote]

I observed before, in the GoT meme this is taken from "Winter is Coming", 'Winter' is a very, very bad thing.

 

[ok doser]

I observed before, in the GoT meme this is taken from "Winter is Coming", 'Winter' is a very, very bad thing.

they missed a trick in GOT in the last season with their "Winter is Here" tagline

shoulda gone with "Spring is Coming"

 

[Kit the Coyote]

they missed a trick in GOT in the last season with their "Winter is Here" tagline

shoulda gone with "Spring is Coming"

Yep, and of course, GoT is not really the best source to go to about walls keeping out the bad guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qW1YwJdnPE

I think every major episode involving the Wall and the bad guys in the North had said bad guys getting around it somehow, from climbing it to going underneath.