No, I am not. Get over it. It was a heavily subsidized country before its disaster.
The Wall WILL Be Built
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No, I am not. Get over it. It was a heavily subsidized country before its disaster.
Get over what? Politically speaking it's a stupid idea
There's a small but significant likelihood that not being re-elected might mean time time in Club Fed. So I think he's going to do everything he can to get re-elected.
(Barbarian checks)
I use Real Clear Politics average of polls, because it's always been more accurate than any sincle poll. And it says...
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
Clinton by 4.2% of popular vote. Actual result was Clinton by 3.1 in the popular vote.
Let's see what border security people actually say when the boss isn't prompting them:
Border Guards Show Wall Won't Work
During a South Texas visit, Donald Trump again stated his case that a wall along the Mexican border is the only way to prevent criminals from sneaking into the US, part of his renewed campaign to get funding for the project.
The US president made his pitch today (Jan. 10) at a roundtable on border security, flanked by mounds of seized drugs, cash, and weapons that he presented as evidence of the border crisis he claims his proposed physical barrier would stop.
Except many of those items were actually intercepted at legal ports of entry, not the in-between places Trump wants to wall off.
It’s yet another reality check on Trump’s pet project. Experts have been pointing out the logistic and legal impracticalities of building a wall across the entire length of the US-Mexico border since then-candidate Trump made it a keystone campaign promise.
They have also argued that a physical barrier will do little to address the very real immigration and drug trafficking problems the US is facing. The showcase prepared by Homeland Security officials for Trump’s visit shows why.
Take the 117 kilos of methamphetamines and 12 kilos of heroin they neatly piled up. Officials at a port of entry discovered them after screening a commercial load with X-ray technology and sniffing dogs. Statistics show stashing illegal cargo in vehicles and driving through ports of entry is the most common way of smuggling in meth and heroin, drugs that are fueling an overdose epidemic in the US.
Also seized at a port of entry: Three gold-plated guns encrusted with diamonds.
In another exhibit, DHS agents touted their discovery of a tunnel, built under a border section that is already protected by a wall. At least one seizure, of an AK-47 assault rifle, happened on the US side of the border, after officers spotted a nervous driver headed into Mexico.
https://qz.com/1520651/border-patrol-agents-in-texas-showed-trump-why-his-wall-wont-work/
Now let's hear from some border agents, most of whom are Hispanic by the way
Border Security Personnel Don't Want a Wall
WASHINGTON — President Trump has called for a wall along the border with Mexico to stop undocumented immigrants and drugs from entering the United States. But Border Patrol agents on the front lines say they need more technology and additional personnel to curb the illegal traffic, according to a report released on Thursday by Democrats on the Senate Homeland Security Committee.
The report was based on internal Customs and Border Protection documents from the 2017 fiscal year. It concluded that less than one half of 1 percent of the agents’ suggestions to secure the Southwest border mentioned the need for a wall.
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The documents show that the Border Patrol identified what it called 902 “capability gaps,” or vulnerabilities, on the Southwest border. The word “wall” was suggested as a possible solution for just three of those gaps.
Agents mentioned a “fence” or “fencing” as a possible solution 34 times — less than 4 percent of the 902 vulnerabilities identified, the report found.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/...-wall-immigration-trump-senate-democrats.html
As you now realize, border security people, like the overwhelming majority of Americans, realize a wall won't work. And they should know; they are the ones who patrol the border.
As even some conservatives now admit, the wall won't work. It's not about stopping illegal immigration; it's about a monument to Trump:
"And do you a beautiful nice precast plank with beautiful everything. Just perfect. I want it to be so beautiful because maybe someday they'll call it The Trump Wall. Maybe. So I have to make sure it's beautiful, right? I'll be very proud of that wall. If they call at this The Trump Wall, it has to be beautiful."
Donald Trump -https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/19/trump_on_border_maybe_theyll_call_it_the_trump_wall.html
Real Clear Politics is a joke just like your posts are. I use real border agents.
Border Patrol Chief: 'We Certainly Need a Wall, Any Agent Will Tell You That'
Border Patrol Chief: 'We Certainly Need a Wall, Any Agent Will Tell You That'
The head of the U.S. Border Patrol said Sen. Chuck Schumer, Sen. Bernie Sanders and others on the left are incorrect when they claim a wall is not a useful tool to stop illegal immigration.
"We certainly do need a wall. Talk to any border agent and they will tell you that," Chief Carla Provost said on "Your World."
Well, let's go take a look at what real border patrol agents say, then...
What Border Agents Say They Want (It’s Not a Wall)
WASHINGTON — President Trump has called for a wall along the border with Mexico to stop undocumented immigrants and drugs from entering the United States. But Border Patrol agents on the front lines say they need more technology and additional personnel to curb the illegal traffic, according to a report released on Thursday by Democrats on the Senate Homeland Security Committee.
The report was based on internal Customs and Border Protection documents from the 2017 fiscal year. It concluded that less than one half of 1 percent of the agents’ suggestions to secure the Southwest border mentioned the need for a wall.
...
The documents show that the Border Patrol identified what it called 902 “capability gaps,” or vulnerabilities, on the Southwest border. The word “wall” was suggested as a possible solution for just three of those gaps.
Agents mentioned a “fence” or “fencing” as a possible solution 34 times — less than 4 percent of the 902 vulnerabilities identified, the report found.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/...-wall-immigration-trump-senate-democrats.html
Looks like the men and women who actually patrol the border don't agree with the boss. Isn't that an important clue for you?
Border Patrol Officer Shows Trump Why a Wall Won't Work
Is it any wonder that a large majority if Americans don't want the wall built?
More gobbledygook
Apparently, they won't. At least, as you learned, they didn't.
Only a tiny percentage of them indicated a fence or a wall would be useful.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
I don't have walls around my property. I have a fence.
But as you learned, experienced border patrol officers who actually spend time patrolling our border, realize walls and fences aren't effective and said so:
What Border Agents Say They Want (It’s Not a Wall)
WASHINGTON — President Trump has called for a wall along the border with Mexico to stop undocumented immigrants and drugs from entering the United States. But Border Patrol agents on the front lines say they need more technology and additional personnel to curb the illegal traffic, according to a report released on Thursday by Democrats on the Senate Homeland Security Committee.
The report was based on internal Customs and Border Protection documents from the 2017 fiscal year. It concluded that less than one half of 1 percent of the agents’ suggestions to secure the Southwest border mentioned the need for a wall.
...
The documents show that the Border Patrol identified what it called 902 “capability gaps,” or vulnerabilities, on the Southwest border. The word “wall” was suggested as a possible solution for just three of those gaps.
Agents mentioned a “fence” or “fencing” as a possible solution 34 times — less than 4 percent of the 902 vulnerabilities identified, the report found.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/u...democrats.html
Do you suppose they have houses with walls? Maybe so. Could it be that they realize wall won't do anything for border security, but are a good idea for houses?
I bet that's why only three percent mentioned walls as a good idea to keep out illegal aliens. Do you suppose that's why?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
oh, i'll bet you do - i'll bet you have walls in your house, walls in your garage, walls in your garden shed and doghouse...
Its the same thing you awesome genius. LOL. What a Maroon!
(The Barbarian says) Duhhh, fences work but walls don't work. Duhhhh. I read the New York Times. Duhhhhh.
Walls are immoral but killing babies is okay. Duhhhhhh. Mommy can I have a juice? Duhhhhhhh
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Walls Work
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work
How effective is this new border wall? On Sunday, when a violent mob of 1,000 people stormed our Southern border, we found the newly constructed portions of the wall to be very effective. In the area of the breach, a group of people tore a hole in the old landing mat fence constructed decades ago and pushed across the border. U.S. Border Patrol agents who responded to the area ultimately dispersed the crowd, which had become assaultive, and apprehended several individuals. All of the individuals were either apprehended or retreated into Mexico. That evening, the fence was repaired. There were no breaches along the newly constructed border wall areas
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work
How effective is this new border wall? On Sunday, when a violent mob of 1,000 people stormed our Southern border, we found the newly constructed portions of the wall to be very effective. In the area of the breach, a group of people tore a hole in the old landing mat fence constructed decades ago and pushed across the border. U.S. Border Patrol agents who responded to the area ultimately dispersed the crowd, which had become assaultive, and apprehended several individuals. All of the individuals were either apprehended or retreated into Mexico. That evening, the fence was repaired. There were no breaches along the newly constructed border wall areas
If you want to kill babies, why do you claim to be a Catholic? And why would you think wall are immoral?
It's like saying guns are evil. Evil people use them, sometimes for evil purposes, but neither walls nor guns are immoral.
If you're a Catholic, you're not a very good one.
Wow. You really are that ignorant aren't you. That was YOU saying that killing babies is okay, not me. Take a remedial reading class you genius.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Nope. Never said that at all. I'm pro-life. You've obviously gotten me confused with someone else.
Calm yourself, and go take a look. You messed up. If you're not in favor of abortion, then neither of us is. And that's O.K.
WizardofOz
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He gets set off waaaaay too easy. A while back he PM'd me his address so I'd come have a thumb war with him or something :idunno:
I should send him a care package :chuckle:
Cause I care
lain:oh, puhlease. It takes a lot of effort to dig under a wall. Next will be food stamps and welfare for illegals getting cut.
Chairman Michael McCaul (R-Texas) concluded in 2013 that “it would be an inefficient use of taxpayer money to complete the fence,” but he gave no indication of how he evaluated the costs and benefits. A 2016 Migration Policy Institute review of the impact of walls and fences around the world turned up no academic literature specifically on the deterrent effect of physical barriers relative to other technologies or strategies, and concluded somewhat vaguely that walls appear to be “relatively ineffective.”
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work