The Wall WILL Be Built

jgarden

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If "THE WALL" were to be built, how would conservatives explain its subsequent failure to limit illegal immigration and the smuggling of drugs?

Given their total disregard for the facts and their "self-serving" ability to manufacture "alternative realities" to promote their agenda, we should be under no illusion that Trump suporters will ever take responsibility for their words and/or actions!
 

ok doser

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Yep, and of course, GoT is not really the best source to go to about walls keeping out the bad guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qW1YwJdnPE

I think every major episode involving the Wall and the bad guys in the North had said bad guys getting around it somehow, from climbing it to going underneath.

well, it slowed them down, until they got their own dragon to blow a hole through it

last we saw, the army of the dead was streaming through
 

ok doser

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If "THE WALL" were to be built, how would conservatives explain its subsequent failure to limit illegal immigration and the smuggling of drugs?

strawman :yawn:


i challenge you to find a single conservative who thinks that the wall alone will end all illegal immigration and smuggling of drugs
 

jgarden

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i challenge you to find a single conservative who thinks that the wall alone will end all illegal immigration and smuggling of drugs
Trump and his surrogates have put "ALL THEIR EGGS IN ONE BASKET" by selling "THE WALL" as the answer to all our woes!

Otherwise, what is the rationale for shuting down the federal government for 35 days, declaring a "national emergency" and preparing to strip necessary funding from "counter-drug" operations to fund "THE WALL?"
 

ok doser

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Trump and his surrogates have put "ALL THEIR EGGS IN ONE BASKET" by selling "THE WALL" as the answer to all our woes!

Otherwise, what is the rationale for shuting down the federal government for 35 days, declaring a "national emergency" and preparing to strip necessary funding from "counter-drug" operations to fund "THE WALL?"

you're insane :sigh:
 
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Kit the Coyote

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Not just casually walking across the border? Cause that's what we got now.

Yet a wall will not address most of the current crisis that the President is basing his emergency on and what parts it will address is decades away. Applying those resources to the things that will provide us with a more immediate and effective response to those problems is the more logical thing to do.
 

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Yet a wall will not address most of the current crisis that the President is basing his emergency on and what parts it will address is decades away. Applying those resources to the things that will provide us with a more immediate and effective response to those problems is the more logical thing to do.

No, the logical thing to do is treat our international border with at least the same level of security we give swimming pools.
 

musterion

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They don't even care if they make no sense.
I have to have a fence around my swimming pool or I'm getting a ticket.
But parts of our international border have nothing.

Because it's not about safety.

It's not about sovereignty.

It's not about liberty.

It's not about individual rights.

It's not about rule of law.

It's definitely not about humanitarianism.

Then what IS it about?

It's about the fact that there is no aspect of other people's lives they are neutral about. None. Because there is nothing they do not wish to be able to control, either by promoting and rewarding it, or by punishing and destroying it.

That is why there is such constant opposition on TOL over even measly matters -- the more self-righteously "tolerant" they profess to be, the less they'll tolerate disagreement. Over anything.

It is exactly as Orwell warned -- incremental attainment of absolute control over every aspect of the lives of others, including mere opinions, is the goal. They will settle for nothing less. By any means necessary.

EVERYTHING THEY DO IS BENT TOWARD THAT GOAL. THEIR EVERY WAKING MOMENT IS FOCUSED ON CONTROLLING EVERYONE AROUND THEM, EVEN (MAYBE ESPECIALLY) PEOPLE WHOSE FACES THEY'LL NEVER SEE. THEY HATE LIFE IF THEY CANNOT BE IN ABSOLUTE CONTROL OF EVERY ASPECT OF IT, AND THEY HATE PEOPLE THEY CANNOT CONTROL

SO GOVERNMENTAL POWER IS THE PERFECT TOOL TO GET WHAT THEY WANT...HUGE, FACELESS, DE-INDIVIDUALIZED, WITHOUT PERSONALITY, A FORCE AND A WILL UNTO ITSELF AND, IN THE END, IMPOSSIBLE TO OPPOSE WITHOUT RESORTING EN MASSE TO THE FINAL RESORT.

The Left knows that. They're counting on it.

If we cannot accept that fact about the Left, we will never understand why the Left does what it does and so can never properly oppose the Left.
 

ok doser

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Because it's not about safety.

It's not about sovereignty.

It's not about liberty.

It's not about individual rights.

It's not about rule of law.

It's definitely not about humanitarianism.

Then what IS it about?

It's about the fact that there is no aspect of other people's lives they are neutral about. None. Because there is nothing they do not wish to be able to control, either by promoting and rewarding it, or by punishing and destroying it.

That is why there is such constant opposition on TOL over even measly matters -- the more self-righteously "tolerant" they profess to be, the less they'll tolerate disagreement. Over anything.

It is exactly as Orwell warned -- incremental attainment of absolute control over every aspect of the lives of others, including mere opinions, is the goal. They will settle for nothing less. By any means necessary.

EVERYTHING THEY DO IS BENT TOWARD THAT GOAL. THEIR EVERY WAKING MOMENT IS FOCUSED ON CONTROLLING EVERYONE AROUND THEM, EVEN (MAYBE ESPECIALLY) PEOPLE WHOSE FACES THEY'LL NEVER SEE. THEY HATE LIFE IF THEY CANNOT BE IN ABSOLUTE CONTROL OF EVERY ASPECT OF IT, AND THEY HATE PEOPLE THEY CANNOT CONTROL

SO GOVERNMENTAL POWER IS THE PERFECT TOOL TO GET WHAT THEY WANT...HUGE, FACELESS, DE-INDIVIDUALIZED, WITHOUT PERSONALITY, A FORCE AND A WILL UNTO ITSELF AND, IN THE END, IMPOSSIBLE TO OPPOSE WITHOUT RESORTING EN MASSE TO THE FINAL RESORT.

The Left knows that. They're counting on it.

If we cannot accept that fact about the Left, we will never understand why the Left does what it does and so can never properly oppose the Left.

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Yet a wall will not address most of the current crisis that the President is basing his emergency on and what parts it will address is decades away. Applying those resources to the things that will provide us with a more immediate and effective response to those problems is the more logical thing to do.

How about doing both.

WOW!! What a concept.
 

Kit the Coyote

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No, the logical thing to do is treat our international border with at least the same level of security we give swimming pools.

And how many international borders have walls around them? How many swimming pools have a thirty-foot plus concrete wall with security patrols around them?
 

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And how many international borders have walls around them?
The ones that have a lot of people illegally crossing them do.
How many swimming pools have a thirty-foot plus concrete wall with security patrols around them?
They don't, they have at least a 40" high fence around them something our border doesn't have.
 
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