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You'll have to lay out what you believe about those passages, as well as what you believe Dispys assert, and - what Dispys you are referring to.
For as with all things in life, one is not only bound to find various schools of thought on any one issue, but also; even individuals within a same school who hold a different understanding on some things than that of their own fellows.
The ball is in your court...
And in more ways than you might think it is...
Perhaps his other hit "Sign Your Name Across My Heart" was a take off on 2 Cor. 3 :chuckle:
One never knows with such individuals; many of them with a "Gospel Music" background early in their childhood...
ClimateSanity
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George peppard ?
SaulToPaul 2
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Nang
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Indeed, Dispensationalism is earthy and appeals to mans' material nature.
That is why adherents insist on a literal rendering of all the Word of God, and deny spiritual applications and prophetic symbolism.
Result: They miss the two-fold and sometimes three-fold depths of Scripture that reveal the providence and purposes of God Almighty for His remnant of saints. They have been deluded, by reading Darby's bible interpretation and studying Scofield notes, to believe that much of what is promised to Christians is really meant for an earthly, and tribal Israel (that doesn't even exist anymore!)
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To argue is not the word but to learn. There is no learning in the chit-chattering of common beliefs. All learning comes by way of controversy. I have learned a lot since I have been around in this forum.
Yep.
I have learned, and continue to learn much, from other's views; opposed, or otherwise.
Intolerance to any view but one's own - be it verbalized or by way of ignoring another's stated understandings on one thing or another; is often nothing more than the mark of an indiviual unable to see much beyond their own self-induced one-sided blindness.
Well, first of all, I've NEVER read anything by Scofield or Darby. Never even heard of Darby until I came to TOL and the only thing I heard about Scofield, is the "Scofield Bible," which I never read. So, looks like Nangster is making sweeping generalizations again. I HIGHLY doubt Nangster even knows what Dispensationalists believe? There are also divisions in the Dispensational community. Does she know what these divisions comprise of? The truth be told, she's merely an arrogant and ignorant poster who doesn't know what she's talking about, however, loves to behold what she posts regardless.
Hey, Zeke, are you still into "New Age" ideas of thought and reason? I know you're not a Christian believer and are usually found sharing with Caino and Freelight on their "Urantia Book" thread. You fit in with them better than discussing Christian matters. Right Zeke? Are you still concerned about people's signatures on paper?
"Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." Galatians 4: 24-26
Dispensationalist-Christian Zionists honor "Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children."
This is the multitude of that Jerusalem which now is and is in bondage, those seen in Romans 11: 20-22, who were broken off because of unbelief."
The remnant of that Jerusalem which was before in bondage with her children accepted Christ and were remade, or - as Paul says in Romans 12: 2 - were transformed by the renewing of their minds, and as Christ puts it in John 3: 5 they were born again of the Spirit.
The Jerusalem which is above, is free and is the mother of us all (the mother of all the elect) began when a remnant of Old Covenant Israel were μεταμορφουσθε, metamorphosized, by Jesus Christ through the Spirit. This is the Israel which the New Covenant honors. The Jerusalem which is above, is free, and is the mother of us all is the Israel of God (Galatians 6: 16).
Those in the state of the natural man (I Corinthians 2 14) may have trouble seeing that Paul is using Jerusalem as a metaphor, just as it is used in II Kings 21: 13, "And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down."
II Kings 21: 13 has an interesting use of metaphor, and it ties into Isaiah 29: 16 and especially into Jeremiah 18: 1-6. For example, the plummet is a metaphor for the Lord's judgment, and turning Jerusalem upside down does not mean the city is literally turned upside down.
25. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." Galatians 4: 24-26
Dispensationalist-Christian Zionists honor "Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children."
This is the multitude of that Jerusalem which now is and is in bondage, those seen in Romans 11: 20-22, who were broken off because of unbelief."
The remnant of that Jerusalem which was before in bondage with her children accepted Christ and were remade, or - as Paul says in Romans 12: 2 - were transformed by the renewing of their minds, and as Christ puts it in John 3: 5 they were born again of the Spirit.
The Jerusalem which is above, is free and is the mother of us all (the mother of all the elect) began when a remnant of Old Covenant Israel were μεταμορφουσθε, metamorphosized, by Jesus Christ through the Spirit. This is the Israel which the New Covenant honors. The Jerusalem which is above, is free, and is the mother of us all is the Israel of God (Galatians 6: 16).
Those in the state of the natural man (I Corinthians 2 14) may have trouble seeing that Paul is using Jerusalem as a metaphor, just as it is used in II Kings 21: 13, "And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab: and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it, and turning it upside down."
II Kings 21: 13 has an interesting use of metaphor, and it ties into Isaiah 29: 16 and especially into Jeremiah 18: 1-6. For example, the plummet is a metaphor for the Lord's judgment, and turning Jerusalem upside down does not mean the city is literally turned upside down.
Hey, North, are you an adherent of "Antiestablishmentarianism?"
northwye, you write accusing the Dispy of looking at things from the natural man, all the while WILLFULLY blind to the fact that MOST Dispys on TOL do NOT hold to 1948 as "the fulfillment of prophecy..."
As usual with your expert amatuer kind, you leave one no other recourse but to talk AT you rather than WITH you...
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As usual with your expert amatuer kind, you leave one no other recourse but to talk AT you rather than WITH you...
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I was in a Plymouth Brethren church for the first 7 years of my Christian life, and studied from the Scofield bible, notes and all. PB's are the denomination of Darby and they are hyper-dispensationalists, so I know all about the movement and its various versions of delusion.
It is sad the way you ridicule others and show no interest in actual discussion of the things of God. Quite telling, IMO. :nono:
Interesting background info, nang.
Just goes to show one does not always know what another might actually be basing their assertions on, of the two or three basic frames of reference each person will tend to base most of their key assertions on.
I'm curious, nang; what do YOU mean by "they are hyper-dispensationalists..."
I feel sorry for you, that's more than what you don't feel about yourself, even if you didn't try.
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