Your apostate church
linger: (Re 17:1) works to undermine the coming two witnesses. :bowser: :bowser:
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the two witnesses
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linger: (Re 17:1) works to undermine the coming two witnesses. :bowser: :bowser:
linger: Your sun god, your moon god. :dizzy: Come out of her or share in her sins (Re 18:4). :listen: You CathOlics :freak: aren't too good at spotting dirty hoes (Re 17:1).
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you don't know what you are talking about
I hate change
I am a conservative
I am a conservative
alwight
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The apocalypse will be a bit tedious for you then? :think:
I don't think I will be here for it
the church and state
-the two witnesses
-the byzantine empire
-a christian empire
-that
-lasted 1000 years
-the pieces fit
-the two witnesses
-the byzantine empire
-a christian empire
-that
-lasted 1000 years
-the pieces fit
genuineoriginal
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You seem to have missed some of the characteristics of the witnesses:
Revelation 11:3 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. |
Revelation 11:6-12 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. |
SaulToPaul 2
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:chuckle:
SaulToPaul 2
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:up:
Only in Chrys' harebrained schemes can he leave out important items and still say "the pieces fit".
genuineoriginal
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I would have to say that every person trying to interpret Bible prophecy leaves out important things that don't fit their ideas.
That is how we ended up with so many differing opinions about what the fulfillment of Bible prophecy will be.
KingdomRose
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For information on the two witnesses and anything else you're wondering about, check out www.jw.org
what important things have I left out?
genuineoriginal
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These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Epoisses
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The two witnesses are end-time saints or prophets who will be given supernatural power from God. The antichrist will be performing miracles, signs and lying wonders so it is only fair that two of God's servants will be given the same power like Moses and Elijah who were given supernatural powers in their day. The witnesses will also by antitypes of Zerubbabel and Joshua who were called by God to rebuild the 2nd temple. There will be lots of construction in the last days with the antichrist rebuilding Jerusalem and the temple to deceive the world. God thru the two witnesses will also be building a temple but it will be a spiritual temple made up of believers. The beginning of Rev. 11 even speaks to this measuring of the temple.
References to the sanctuary and temple are some of the most confusing in scripture because there were so many different applications. Moses built the sanctuary in the wilderness and the more permanent temple was built by Solomon and later rebuilt by Zerubabbel. There is a temple in heaven that is described in Hebrews and Revelation where Jesus ministers as our great high priest. God’s people are referred to individually as a spiritual temple and collectively as a holy city or royal priesthood. Context is the key to knowing what is being described. All three aspects of the temple will be represented in the last days.
References to the sanctuary and temple are some of the most confusing in scripture because there were so many different applications. Moses built the sanctuary in the wilderness and the more permanent temple was built by Solomon and later rebuilt by Zerubabbel. There is a temple in heaven that is described in Hebrews and Revelation where Jesus ministers as our great high priest. God’s people are referred to individually as a spiritual temple and collectively as a holy city or royal priesthood. Context is the key to knowing what is being described. All three aspects of the temple will be represented in the last days.
so you just put it in the future?
genuineoriginal
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Not quite.
I check the prophecies and identify the timeline for when they are supposed to happen.
If the timeline does not fit with history, I check to see if there are any conditions that would have caused the timeline for a particular prophecy to shift.
In the case of the two witnesses, it is clear that they are actual people, not empires (empires are called beasts in prophecy).
The two witnesses prophecy outside of the temple in Jerusalem (Revelation 11).
In order for this prophecy to be fulfilled, it either happened before the temple was destroyed in 70 CE or will happen after another temple is built in Jerusalem.
The writings of Josephus describe what happened in 70 CE, but make no mention of the two witnesses, so there is no verifiable historical fulfillment of this prophecy.
Therefore, the two witnesses will be seen sometime in the future after a temple is built in Jerusalem.
genuineoriginal
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I did not put it into the future.
I recognized that the timing for the prophecy is in the future.
There is a difference.