the two witnesses

[chrysostom]

you find zechariah 4
if
you search the bible for the two olive trees
and
there you find zerubbabel
and
you will find he is always associated with joshua
if
you google zerubbabel

zerubbabel is the governor
joshua is the high priest

together they return to jerusalem to build the second temple

zerubbabel is the state
joshua is the church

together they are the two witnesses in the form of

the byzantine empire
and
the holy roman empire

together they help build the Church that replaces the temple

 

[Twim]

What if the biblical translation was misinterpreted and that there is only one true witness instead?

 

[chrysostom]

What if the biblical translation was misinterpreted and that there is only one true witness instead?

that is why we don't rely on just one passage

that is why we rely on our common sense

 

[chrysostom]

The Two Harbingers of the End Times,[16] who elucidates how it is possible, based on the grammatical interpretation of the text, that the two witnesses be represented by just one person who would be a Jewish Pope, since the text requires that the "two" witnesses have one common i.e. shared mouth, and one shared body, and therefore "they" have to be a single person.

or a church and state that are joined together like in the byzantine empire

 

[CherubRam]

"She", Crysostom? Since when does spirit have gender? However, this is getting off of the point.

According to Catholicism the Holy Spirit is a she. Just a note: Language gendering is from Paganism.

 

[CherubRam]

The Two Harbingers of the End Times,[16] who elucidates how it is possible, based on the grammatical interpretation of the text, that the two witnesses be represented by just one person who would be a Jewish Pope, since the text requires that the "two" witnesses have one common i.e. shared mouth, and one shared body, and therefore "they" have to be a single person.

or a church and state that are joined together like in the byzantine empire

:rotfl:

 

[JPHamilton]

you find zechariah 4

if

you search the bible for the two olive trees

and

there you find zerubbabel

and

you will find he is always associated with joshua

if

you google zerubbabel



zerubbabel is the governor

joshua is the high priest



together they return to jerusalem to build the second temple



zerubbabel is the state

joshua is the church



together they are the two witnesses in the form of



the byzantine empire

and

the holy roman empire



together they help build the Church that replaces the temple

How can it be said that those two empires will die and their bodies will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days? Honest inquiry here.

 

[chrysostom]

How can it be said that those two empires will die and their bodies will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days? Honest inquiry here.

I don't know
and
I am still looking for a better understanding of this
but
I will continue to pursue the church and state theory as the best one

 

[JPHamilton]

I've heard of the church/Israel opinion, but not what you presented. I personally view the two witnesses as two literal men who will prophesy for the final 3 1/2 years prior to the second coming. In my understanding, satan empowers his two minions: the antichrist and false prophet, and God empowers His two witnesses.

 

[chrysostom]

I've heard of the church/Israel opinion, but not what you presented. I personally view the two witnesses as two literal men who will prophesy for the final 3 1/2 years prior to the second coming. In my understanding, satan empowers his two minions: the antichrist and false prophet, and God empowers His two witnesses.

looks like you are putting everything into the future
and
that is just too easy to do

I will continue to look at history
and
I believe most of this stuff is there

 

[JPHamilton]

looks like you are putting everything into the future

and

that is just too easy to do



I will continue to look at history

and

I believe most of this stuff is there

Interesting. I was having a similar conversation with my dad a few days ago.

How do you deal with the resurrection of the two witnesses? Also, since you believe that this has all happened in the past, do you believe that the 7th trumpet has already sounded?

Sorry about the 21 questions.

 

[Spitfire]

Just a note: Language gendering is from Paganism.

You're getting closer to realizing that pretty much everything can be considered "pagan" according to your standards.

 

[chrysostom]

Interesting. I was having a similar conversation with my dad a few days ago.

How do you deal with the resurrection of the two witnesses? Also, since you believe that this has all happened in the past, do you believe that the 7th trumpet has already sounded?

Sorry about the 21 questions.

I think it has something to do with the
kingdom of jerusalem
and
the byzantine empire
and
the holy roman empire

 

[Truster]

The two witnesses are not two literal men they are the testimonies of the Prophets and the Apostles which are put to death by the world and the apostasy. They are also the two lamps and the two branches.

The Apostasy are the 41,000 denominations who have worshipped creeds and traditions above and beyond what is written. Robert Pate is an example of this as he feels reading the Bible is a waste of time.

 

[beloved57]

The Two Witnesses is the Testimony of the Church in both Testaments !

 

[chrysostom]

it is a lampstand
and
not a candlestick
this is important because the lampstand uses oil from the olive tree
they work together
one is the state
and
the other is the church
the two witnesses

 

[chrysostom]

not many have understood this

 

[chrysostom]

the two witnesses

just search the bible for two olive trees
and
you will find zechariah 4 and zerubbabel who is always associated with joshua

joshua is a priest representing the church
zerubbabel is minister of the state

the two witnesses are the church and state
we have two christian empires

the holy roman empire
and
the byzantine empire

the place is jerusalem
and
control of it ended in 1244

it looks like the holy roman empire to me

back to
the apocalypse

the two witnesses
are
the church and state

 

[genuineoriginal]

the two witnesses
are
the church and state

Deuteronomy 19:15-19 15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. 16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong; 17 Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the Lord, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; 18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; 19 Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.​

What is the punishment for the two witnesses if they testify falsely?

 

[chrysostom]

What is the punishment for the two witnesses if they testify falsely?

there are 167 references to witness in the bible

maybe the other words are more significant