Were that true, it would manifest that I was walking in darkness and not in God, or in His Son Jesus Christ.
The Saving results of the Death of Christ !
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So are Peter's. And James'. And John's.
We are all members of that body, if we are obedient to God.
It is the excuse you supplied that accommodates sin.
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Nope. They were writing to ISRAEL.
The body of Christ began with Paul.
Again you lie, which is a sin.
Your idea of salvation relies heavily on the sinless perfection of man and his ability to refrain from sin. That is heresy. Peter was already saved before he denied the Lord, according to these verses:
John 13:9-11
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9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
Matthew 16:17
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
You overemphasize baptism and make it essential to salvation, which is false doctrine. Jesus saved people, he filled people with the Holy Spirit, He baptized people with the Holy Spirit, but He did not baptize people in water.
John 4:2
(Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
There are aspects of baptism that have nothing to do with salvation.
1 Corinthians 15:29
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
There is nothing wrong with getting baptized. I believe Christians should do it for a testimony of salvation they obtained without baptism. I was baptized twice, because of my ignorance of the Bible in my early Christian life.
It has already been pointed out here that we are made free from sin's bondage at salvation, but not free from sin's lust and our capacity to yield to those lusts. Having been made free from sin, we should walk in newness of life. If we could no longer sin God would not tell us we should walk in the Spirit and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, but that we could not walk in the flesh.
Romans 6
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
God's message to the saved: Consider yourself dead to sin and do not yield your members to sin's lusts. God would never tell Christians not to do something if it was impossible for them to do it in the first place.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
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glorydaz
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No, it is not. I do have my God-given conscience, however.
Then you have a bit of a problem, don't you?
Jesus told us what keeping the commandments entailed in Matt. 5.
If you lust, you've committed adultery in your heart.
If you call someone a fool, you've murdered them.
In other words, you can't keep the commandments so you are a sinner.
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There is nothing right with performing Jewish water ceremonies.
It would only be a testimony to their confusion about Christian doctrine.
Two too many.
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glorydaz
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The Jews were given the baptism of repentance. That means they accepted Christ as their Messiah.
That is not the same as being baptized by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ.
glorydaz
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Looks to me like you're a fence straddler. You can't sit for very long on that line between law and grace. You'll get more and more uncomfortable as you deny what is preached on one side while holding to the other.
glorydaz
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You've manifested that it's true. You're in the dark about what the Bible is telling you.
Water baptism is just a symbol of Holy Spirit baptism. Christians did not get baptized to be saved but did get baptized to symbolize the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
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Water Baptism is a symbol of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ
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A myth of Churchianity.
What is the meaning of Water Baptism.
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I was a cleansing ceremony that was part of the instructions for the nation of Israel.
It had to do with their role as a nation of priests.
glorydaz
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I realize that, but actually it's a practice not even meant for us.
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Nowhere in the Bible can we find the idea that "Water baptism is just a symbol of Holy Spirit baptism".
It's simply not there. It is a myth that was introduced and lives on with a life of its own.