The gift of faith is given to those who meet God's requirements for the gift.No, faith is not something we come up with ourselves.
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. Romans 10:17
The gift of faith is given to those who meet God's requirements for the gift.No, faith is not something we come up with ourselves.
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. Romans 10:17
God gives the gift of faith to those who meet His requirements for the gift. If a sinner wants the baptism of the Holy Spirit then he must first bring forth fruits meet for repentance before God.By grace---it is purely the grace of God that saves anyone.
Through faith----believing and trusting in the person and work of Jesus, is necessary
Which is the gift of God. In His grace He gives the faith. Otherwise faith would be something we have to come up with ourselves.
If your faith is real your faith will lead you away from sin but your eternal life is not dependent on your success in remaining free from sin.You will need to back that up with scriptures.
Paul mentioned only the works of the Law not being necessary for salvation.
Circumcision and dietary laws come to mind.
I have been baptized into what Jesus did on the cross.
I died there with Christ, was buried with Him, and was raised with Him to walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:3-7 spell it out, with verse 7 supplying the proof..."For he that is dead is freed from sin."
As I see salvation occurring only after my name is found in the book of life, on the day of judgement, my salvation is still pending.
So all I do is "for salvation".
If I commit murder, tell a lie, or steal from someone, my faith is made void.
There is no condemnation for those who have been born again but there are still besetting sins for believers to deal with after they are saved.I have been free of the Law of Moses for nearly fourteen years.
As it is written..."Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" (1 Tim 9-10)
I stopped all of that when my flesh was crucified with Christ...at my water baptism into Christ and into His death, burial, and I was raised with Him to walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:3-6 details it.
Gal 5:24 makes reference to it..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
Do you have any scripture to support this claim?The gift of faith is given to those who meet God's requirements for the gift.
No sinner gets saved without first loving God and loving God is not a work by humans seeking reimbursement for their labor in God's eyes.No.
No it isn't. You call it force, I call it grace.
Well plenty of people besides me believe, but that aside, do you believe? Is that because poured His grace over you, or is it because you were smart enough to make the right choice?
Are you sure about that, or did it just feel that way to you because you are a human and think like a human and can only see things, (like all humans) from a human perspective?
So His grace was the message, not love itself?
Yes choosing is a work if that choosing is of a person's own volition that acquires salvation for them. We do not choose to have faith. In my doctrine a person is given the faith, then they hear the gospel, or it is given to them when they hear the gospel, and when they hear it, they believe it. Then they choose Christ to worship and follow.
There is a reason that sinners are told to first bring forth works meet for repentance because God does not give grace to sinners who have no interest in abandoning their sins.Do you have any scripture to support this claim?
If a person is not saved and only thinks he is then he will find out in the end that his faith was dead and eternal life was not his.As I don't believe salvation will be assured till we hear our names are in the book of life on the day of judgment, I will depend on Him until my last moment on earth without regard for my final determination.
You claimed that "faith is a gift". Please support that claim with scripture.There is a reason that sinners are told to first bring forth works meet for repentance because God does not give grace to sinners who have no interest in abandoning their sins.
Acts 26:20
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Water baptism is an act of obedience by Christians after they are saved, not in order to be saved.Acts 19:4-5 says..."Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
So he does indeed tell men to "get wet".
Me too, unless further sin shows I had not really repented of sin.
We can't build a relationship with God that is based on our lies.
There is only one baptism God does, but men do another.
That doesn't even take into account the other 5 or 6 baptisms listed in the bible.
I agree, a dead man can't commit sin.
What we fail to agree on is that our (water) baptism into Christ provides our death, burial, and being raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:3-7)
The crucified man, with his affections and lusts, cannot rise again. (Gal 5:24)
I am no longer a sinner, thanks to the grace of God who supplied the doctrine of baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
Why didn't your doctrine provide the same grace?
Water baptism is NOT for the body of Christ. Paul NEVER says that we should get wet.Water baptism is an act of obedience by Christians after they are saved, not in order to be saved.
You cannot know you are saved if you have not been born again. But you can know you are saved if you have been born again.I won't usurp the judgement of God by claiming I have something not yet awarded.
Noah was not saved at the end because he did not let go of his hold on the side of the ark during the flood and Christians are not saved by thinking they must remain free from sin. Christians who think they no longer have sins to deal with in their lives are deceived.Plus the grace and new nature to resist the devil so he flees from me.
There are no "present sins".
More sin would manifest that my repentance from sin was a lie to God.
We can't build a relationship with God that is based on our lies.
If I don't remain faithful till the day of judgement, I will be sent to the lake of fire.
Thankfully though, Jesu gave us the word sin John 8:32-34..."And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."
I know the truth, and it made me free from committing sin.
Thanks be to God !
Paul never said "I thank God I never helped any of you get saved by preaching Jesus" but he did sayActs 19:4-5 says..."Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
So he does indeed tell men to "get wet".
Good.I made a decision based on hearing the preaching of the Gospel.
No, I believed the Gospel.
I didn't say I was. I saw it was raining and believed what I saw.
In the same way, I heard the Gospel message of salvation, and believed what I heard.
Isn't the law written on your heart?I don't believe you. What you're preaching is some kind of odd mixture of law and grace.
What does the verse before it say?So you don't believe what John says here? And you have no assurance of salvation?
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
There you go !1 John 2:3-4
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Isn't the law written on your heart?
And I don't mean fest keeping and dietary laws.
What does the verse before it say?
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:7)
If I am walking in the light/God, and all my sins have been cleansed by the blood of Christ, why can't I say I have no sin?
In 1 John 1, John is using an alternating verse method that juxtaposes two different conditions.
In this case, it is those who walk in light against those who walk in darkness.
If I am walking in darkness, I cannot say I have no sin.
If I am walking in the light/God, I can't have any sin.
Verses 5, 7, and 9 are for those who walk in the light.
Verses 6, 8, and 10 are addressing those who walk in darkness.
There you go !
Keeping His commandments makes you a non-sinner.
How does that fit Rom 6:5?I did answer, but I'll be happy to elaborate.
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
We are baptized BY THE SPIRIT into Christ.
Those are two different baptisms.Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
I'm not quite sure what you are referring to.Oh dear. You're denying scripture. You need to check yourself, and you can do that by believing what the word says quite clearly.
I'm happy to comply with scriptures that say we will be judged on the last day.Then you're in the company of the Jews. They, too, will have to wait.
Thought the scripture in Eph 6 doesn't say it, the one in 1 Thes 5:8 does..."But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation."The armor of God? Beautifully, just as God intended.
The helmet of salvation is a present reality for those in the body of Christ.
But you go ahead and wait. Perhaps you'll eventually endure long enough.
Sorry, we are on different paths.Again your imagination is driving your "understanding".
Paul did not TELL anyone to get water baptized. Paul was describing what John the Baptizer was doing.
Verse 5 is about what those that heard JOHN did.
Nonsense. You sin whether you know it or not.
You are a double-minder person. In the body of Christ there is ONE baptism and there is NO water involved.
Indeed, baptism is NOT just water.
There is NO water in Romans 6. Again, you imagination and your belief in falsehoods controls you.
I am not controlled by sin, that does not mean that I never sin.
Your doctrine is confused. You do not understand figures of speech.
That verse, and verses 6 and 10, are addressing to those who walk in darkness.Noah was not saved at the end because he did not let go of his hold on the side of the ark during the flood and Christians are not saved by thinking they must remain free from sin. Christians who think they no longer have sins to deal with in their lives are deceived.
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.