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The plan of salvation was known by God before anything was created.
1Pe 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
ECT The Most Misunderstood Passage in the Bible--Romans 5:12-18
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The plan of salvation was known by God before anything was created.
1Pe 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Some of you have misread Romans 5. This is why Paul said "therefore".
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
glorydaz
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But the free gift doesn't come to all men...only those who receive it. Wouldn't the condemnation come on all men who commit the same offense as Adam? The soul that sinneth shall die. The soul that believeth shall live.
God's Truth
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We have different ideas on what kindness is.
God's Truth
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Amen.
:carryon:
Did Paul wrongly state that the free gift came to all men? No. Not all accept the free gift, but it is still offered to them. Paul could not be more clear.
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
All are justified. Not all have his life. The cross provided justice and reconciliation. Eternal life comes to those that believe and accept his gift. Those that trust what he did are secured. You can tell who does not trust him by them saying they are not eternally secure and can fall away.
glorydaz
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While you're busy thumping your chest, I'm sure you have scripture to support what the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is all about. So, to use my quote in regards to Romans 5 is "fake news". :carryon:
God's Truth
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We should be careful with using words that are not there, for instance when you say all are corrupt.
Not all are only corrupt.
We are flesh and spirit.
Some people by practicing that which is evil desire only to please their flesh, and some are more spiritual desiring to please their flesh.
Aha! The focus on ... Therefore ... Good point! I believe I see your point. Some are putting the em-PHAS-sis on the wrong syl-LAB-le.
God's Truth
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Jesus warns us for a reason.
Some are weaker in faith and not as knowledgeable as others. Don't you know the parable of the sower? Some people need to be warned. It isn't all about you, it is about God's Truth.
Holy Hot Cakes! This is the very reason so many people keep telling you to take the focus off of obedience and put it on Jesus Christ and Atonement + Nothing!
Are you aware of this?
To draw attention to flesh causes the weak in faith to stumble!
glorydaz
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Good points. But what about this?
Romans 5:19KJV
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Jerry Shugart
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The verses which you cite from 1 Corinthians 15:42-57 are in regard to the different "bodies" which the Christians possess now and in the future. You are comparing apples with oranges.
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Jerry Shugart
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Since you are so sure you are right about this subject please tell me what "death" is being referred to here?:
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" (Ro.5:12).