The Ever Present Problem of Atheism (HOF thread)
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Freak
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Originally posted by Zakath
I'll use small words so it will be easier for you to understand...
I gradually came to realize that there was no such thing as God.:doh:
How's that? Simple enough for you? :thumb:
And that took years to realize? Again, when did you lose your salvation? You said you did so when did you?
Aimiel
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Zak,
I've told you, repeatedly, you can't come to God without faith and find Him. You first have to believe that He IS, and then you have to diligently seek Him. Sounds like you (somewhat) diligently sought Him, and then decided to continue to NOT believe that He exists. Remember, the fool has said, in his heart, "There is no God." :doh:
Zakath
Resident Atheist
No, it took me years to accept, since it violated some things I was strongly supportive of...
[quoteAgain, when did you lose your salvation? You said you did so when did you? [/QUOTE]I cannot provide a specific date or hour for my deconversion any more than many people could tell the date and hour of their conversion.
Why is it so important to you to know this?
Zakath
Resident Atheist
Yes, but not by me.
If I was not a Christian, then the entire discussion is pointless. The problem that afflicts certain fundamentalist Christians is their mistaken belief that once a person has experienced metanoia that they cannot experience a reversal.
There is ample evidence to prove that reversals of faith to faithlessness do take place. Otherwise the Christian doctrine of free will is meaningless.
Zakath
Resident Atheist
How do you reconcile the human's requirement with Jesus' teaching that God must draw a human to himself... "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him..." Jn 6:44
Paul taught in Romans 12:3 that God gives men faith.
This would appear to be not something that humans do, but something that God does in humans.
Unless of course, there is a contradiction.
But perhaps the gift was removed?
Perhps the gifter doesn't exist, except in my own mind...
You have no way of telling except for your subjective experience which cannot be demonstrated for anyone else.
Aimiel
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Zakath will Never Come to God Except He Believes
Zakath will Never Come to God Except He Believes
Zakath will Never Come to God Except He Believes
God will not force anyone to believe, whether or not they respond to His drawing is up to them.
Each one gets 'the measure,' but what they do with it is different, with each individual.
He designed the whole shootin'-match.
Heaven forbid, God can NOT lie.
God doesn't work like that.
Perhaps you're being foolish now.
You have not given yourself a fair shake, denying the existence of God is foolish. You are being unfair to your own self, and that is the height of foolishness.
Zakath
Resident Atheist
Re: Zakath will Never Come to God Except He Believes
Re: Zakath will Never Come to God Except He Believes
Re: Zakath will Never Come to God Except He Believes
You are talking about the same deity that "hardens the hearts" of men so they can be victims of his wrath, right?
That depends entirely on what you define as a lie now, doesn't it?