prodigalson
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How about we just do a google search. Bad joke but I stand by it!:chuckle:
The Ever Present Problem of Atheism (HOF thread)
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Zakath
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People's hope is their own affair.
All atheists say is that deities don't exist.
All we ask here is that someone prove they do.
I've been posting here for almost three years and not a single religionist of any stripe has been able to demonstrate the unambiguous reality of their deity.
I'm beginning to wonder if such thing is at all possible... :think:
All atheists say is that deities don't exist.
All we ask here is that someone prove they do.
I've been posting here for almost three years and not a single religionist of any stripe has been able to demonstrate the unambiguous reality of their deity.
I'm beginning to wonder if such thing is at all possible... :think:
Z Man
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Well, you can't keep asking us Christians for proof. We led you to the pond and all you can do is stare at it and deny it exists by stating, "It's a mirage"?!?! That's just plain and blatant denial on your part. You'll never know until you drink from it.....
You can't speculate what's inside your door by looking at everyone elses'. Open your own door Zakath... You are counting your chickens before they hatch by saying there is nothing inside. How do you know? You haven't opened it yet!
You expect people to believe that all of this is false when we have opened our doors and have drank from the ever living fountain of God and have seen and tasted that which is real? How can you deny what we have witnessed? You ask for proof and I say, "Open your door and drink from the fountain we have presented to you. Only then will you know He is real..."
Zakath
Resident Atheist
I keep telling you people. The only water in the pond is in your own heads... (Deliberately avoiding comments about believers and water on the brain...
)Been there, done that. I knocked for years and no one was home.
You expect little kids to believe that Santa Claus is false when they have opened their very real presents and tasted from the heady joys of Christmas morning? How can you deny what they have witnessed?
Yet we do deny such things... :think:
prodigalson
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Man - Show me God and I'll believe.
God - Believe and I'll show you.
That's pretty much it, but even if a person has proof, they will explain it away. That's just how they do it.
You want proof, look at creation, it's unreal, the sun, the stars, other planets, look at men and women(especially women) and see how perfect they are created, look at the things below the surface, how things work in harmony. Look at an Michael Jordan, that talent can only be God given, listen to Jimi Hendrix, that talent can only be God given. But instead of seeing a Creator, atheists see a 1,000,000,000 to 1 shot. If you are going to put your faith in a long shot like that, God would pretty much have to stand in front of you for you to believe.
I didn't believe in God but when my friend would witness to me he just said pray that God will reveal himself to you. I did b/c if he is God and died for me, he will answer that prayer right? Only the truth will come from that so it's a win-win situation.
God - Believe and I'll show you.
That's pretty much it, but even if a person has proof, they will explain it away. That's just how they do it.
You want proof, look at creation, it's unreal, the sun, the stars, other planets, look at men and women(especially women) and see how perfect they are created, look at the things below the surface, how things work in harmony. Look at an Michael Jordan, that talent can only be God given, listen to Jimi Hendrix, that talent can only be God given. But instead of seeing a Creator, atheists see a 1,000,000,000 to 1 shot. If you are going to put your faith in a long shot like that, God would pretty much have to stand in front of you for you to believe.
I didn't believe in God but when my friend would witness to me he just said pray that God will reveal himself to you. I did b/c if he is God and died for me, he will answer that prayer right? Only the truth will come from that so it's a win-win situation.
Z Man
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Good point Prodigalson. :thumb:
You'll just have to excuse Zakath. It seems he's still angry at the realization that Santa Clause doesn't exist. :chuckle:
You know what happens to the horse if he doesn't drink because he thinks it's not real; he dies of thirst....
You'll just have to excuse Zakath. It seems he's still angry at the realization that Santa Clause doesn't exist. :chuckle:
Zakaths' new saying - "You can lead a horse to water, but when he looks at it, he'll think, "I'm not drinking that; it's not real".Originally posted by Zakath
I keep telling you people. The only water in the pond is in your own heads... (Deliberately avoiding comments about believers and water on the brain...
You know what happens to the horse if he doesn't drink because he thinks it's not real; he dies of thirst....
That's your problem; you were waiting for God to open the door...
You still haven't gotten over the fact that Santa doesn't exist, have you? That's really sad... And you're a psychyotrist?!?! :crackup:
Zakath
Resident Atheist
Interesting point. What you are describing is "rationalization" and people on both sides of the aisle (believers and non-believers) do it all the time.
Listen to any fundy Christian discuss another religion and you'll essentially hear similar arguments that atheists use to question Christianity.
All you are doing is attributing things you don't understand the mechanisms for to a deity. It's a free country so go right ahead; but remember that only a few hundred years ago people like you were attributing malaria to bad air and congenital birth defects to witches' curses. As we learn more about the universe, there is less and less that is the providence of the divine and more and more that is rationally explainable. The deity's turf gets smaller every generation...
When I was a Christian, I used to say similar things, but time and experience have shown me I was incorrect.
That's a big "if". In my case, there was no answer other than my own imagination - for over three decades.
Zakath
Resident Atheist
Only to another religionist... :down:
Hardly, merely drawing an analogy. Interesting that the only way you choose to address it is by ad hominem. Perhaps that's because you can't address the difference between a child's belief in Santa Claus and your belief in your deity... :think:
I was merely following the scriptural instruction by Jesus of Nazareth: "...knock and the door will be opened to you." Mt. 7:7
As nearly as I read that it doesn't say, knock and kick in the door...
No, I'm a psychologist.
(And the word you're trying to spell is "psychiatrist")