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CatholicCrusader said:
WRONG!! An idol is a false god, or something we place above God.

Mary and the saints are not false gods, ergo artwork that depicts them are not idols.

Go back to special school, you know, on the "special" bus.




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Since Christians follow God and not Mary nor a pope it appears you have NO clue which bus you are on :however, scripture calls your bus the broad road that leads directly to hell.
 
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You keep giving the words of mere men, and you fail to see that the thoughts of men are put there by Satan, the prince of the air.
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You wouldn't know the word anyway

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and ALL our righteousnesses are as FILTHY RAGS; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the gift of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5 NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man IS NOT JUSTIFIED by the WORKS of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and NOT BY THE WORKS of the law: for BY the WORKS of the law shall NO FLESH be justified.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith WITHOUT the DEEDS of the law.


That's a much more powerful God and so comforting, the Arminian god is small.
 
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Nihilo said:
The Pharisees were Scripture alone also. That's why Paul was a pharisee, because he was Scripture alone also. The Old Testament was written to Israel. So was all Israel the Church until AD 50, when either Galatians or 1st Thessalonians was written by the Apostle Paul, or just the Pharisees?

What distinguished the Church from all Israel up to AD 50? Acts tells us, but Acts wasn't written yet.
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66 book ended up complete and 100% breathed by God, today. This is what the protestants use today. Nevermind the uninspired extra books.
 
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CatholicCrusader said:
If you knew Church history you'd be a Catholic.

A brief excerpt from "Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth" (source link):

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Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from unity with the pope in 1054. The Protestant churches were established during the Reformation, which began in 1517. (Most of today’s Protestant churches are actually offshoots of the original Protestant offshoots.)

Only the Catholic Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing. The line of popes can be traced back, in unbroken succession, to Peter himself. This is unequaled by any institution in history.

Even the oldest government is new compared to the papacy, and the churches that send out door-to-door missionaries are young compared to the Catholic Church. Many of these churches began as recently as the nineteenth or twentieth centuries. Some even began during your own lifetime. None of them can claim to be the Church Jesus established.

The Catholic Church has existed for nearly 2,000 years, despite constant opposition from the world. This is testimony to the Church’s divine origin. It must be more than a merely human organization, especially considering that its human members— even some of its leaders—have been unwise, corrupt, or prone to heresy.

Any merely human organization with such members would have collapsed early on. The Catholic Church is today the most vigorous church in the world (and the largest, with a billion members: one sixth of the human race), and that is testimony not to the cleverness of the Church’s leaders, but to the protection of the Holy Spirit.

FOUR MARKS OF THE TRUE CHURCH

If we wish to locate the Church founded by Jesus, we need to locate the one that has the four chief marks or qualities of his Church. The Church we seek must be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.

The Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13)
Jesus established only one Church, not a collection of differing churches. The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:23–32). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church. His Church also teaches just one set of doctrines, which must be the same as those taught by the apostles (Jude 3). This is the unity of belief to which Scripture calls us (Phil. 1:27, 2:2). Over the centuries, as doctrines are examined more fully, the Church comes to understand them more deeply (John 16:12–13), but it never understands them to mean the opposite of what they once meant.

The Church Is Holy (Eph. 5:25–27, Rev. 19:7–8)
By his grace Jesus makes the Church holy, just as he is holy. This doesn’t mean that each member is always holy. Jesus said there would be both good and bad members in the Church (John 6:70), and not all the members would go to heaven (Matt. 7:21–23). But the Church itself is holy because it is the source of holiness and is the guardian of the special means of grace Jesus established, the sacraments (cf. Eph. 5:26).

The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:19–20, Rev. 5:9–10)
Jesus’ Church is called catholic ("universal" in Greek) because it is his gift to all people. He told his apostles to go throughout the world and make disciples of "all nations" (Matt. 28:19–20). For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has carried out this mission, preaching the good news that Christ died for all men and that he wants all of us to be members of his universal family (Gal. 3:28). Nowadays the Catholic Church is found in every country of the world and is still sending out missionaries to "make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19). The Church Jesus established was known by its most common title, "the Catholic Church," at least as early as the year 107, when Ignatius of Antioch used that title to describe the one Church Jesus founded. The title apparently was old in Ignatius’s time, which means it probably went all the way back to the time of the apostles.

The Church Is Apostolic (Eph. 2:19–20)
The Church Jesus founded is apostolic because he appointed the apostles to be the first leaders of the Church, and their successors were to be its future leaders. The apostles were the first bishops, and, since the first century, there has been an unbroken line of Catholic bishops faithfully handing on what the apostles taught the first Christians in Scripture and oral Tradition (2 Tim. 2:2). These beliefs include the bodily Resurrection of Jesus, the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, the sacrificial nature of the Mass, the forgiveness of sins through a priest, baptismal regeneration, the existence of purgatory, Mary’s special role, and much more —even the doctrine of apostolic succession itself. Early Christian writings prove the first Christians were thoroughly Catholic in belief and practice and looked to the successors of the apostles as their leaders. What these first Christians believed is still believed by the Catholic Church. No other Church can make that claim.

Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth

Man’s ingenuity cannot account for this. The Church has remained one, holy, catholic, and apostolic—not through man’s effort, but because God preserves the Church he established (Matt. 16:18, 28:20). He guided the Israelites on their escape from Egypt by giving them a pillar of fire to light their way across the dark wilderness (Exod. 13:21). Today he guides us through his Catholic Church.

The Bible, sacred Tradition, and the writings of the earliest Christians testify that the Church teaches with Jesus’ authority. In this age of countless competing religions, each clamoring for attention, one voice rises above the din: the Catholic Church, which the Bible calls "the pillar and foundation of truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).

Jesus assured the apostles and their successors, the popes and the bishops, "He who listens to you listens to me, and he who rejects you rejects me" (Luke 10:16). Jesus promised to guide his Church into all truth (John 16:12–13). We can have confidence that his Church teaches only the truth.

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You're as ridiculous as the Mormon Magic Underwear. Then again, both have the same source.
 
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Cruciform said:
There were no "extra books." Rather, the so-called "reformers" deliberately removed seven books from the Old Testament on the basis of their (the Protestants') newly-invented theology. Once again, your preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect has simply misinformed you.
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Removed by the holy spirit. Praise God
 
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The words inscribed in the Pope’s official miter are “Vicarius Filii Dei”, Latin for “Vicar of the Son of God”...
Since there can be but one Vicar of Christ who is infinite, supreme, omnipotent, and all sufficient, the earthly pretender can be none other than a self energized Apostate system and will eventually be judged and utterly condemned by the Lord.
 
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TulipBee said:
The words inscribed in the Pope’s official miter are “Vicarius Filii Dei”, Latin for “Vicar of the Son of God”...
Since there can be but one Vicar of Christ who is infinite, supreme, omnipotent, and all sufficient, the earthly pretender can be none other than a self energized Apostate system and will eventually be judged and utterly condemned by the Lord.
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Spooky.
 
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Cruciform said:
Yet, you still lie and misrepresent Catholic belief and teaching (Ex. 20:16; Prov. 19:5). So much for you "obeying God."
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What Jesus said in John 14:6 proves that the RCC's traditions and doctrines is a LIE.

Jesus said," I am the way the truth and the life and no man comes to the Father but by me".

Jesus never mentioned needing Mary, a pope, or a priest other than Himself.
 
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Augustine interpreting Matt 16:18 like a Protestant and not like the popes religion claiming the Rock is Christ and the church is built on Peter's confession and not on Peter.
"For before he was called Simon. Now this name of Peter was given him by the Lord, and that in a figure, that he should signify the Church. For seeing that Christ is the rock (Petra), Peter is the Christian people. For the rock (Petra) is the original name. Therefore Peter is so called from the rock; not the rock from Peter; as Christ is not called Christ from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. Therefore, he says, You are Peter; and upon this Rock which you have confessed, upon this Rock which you have acknowledged, saying, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God, will I build My Church; that is upon Myself, the Son of the living God, will I build My Church. I will build you upon Myself, not Myself upon you.
2. For men who wished to be built upon men, said, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas, who is Peter. But others who did not wish to be built upon Peter, but upon the Rock, said, But I am of Christ. And when the Apostle Paul ascertained that he was chosen, and Christ despised, he said, Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? And, as not in the name of Paul, so neither in the name of Peter; but in the name of Christ: that Peter might be built upon the Rock, not the Rock upon Peter."
Augustine--Sermon 26 Ch. 1 & 2
 
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TulipBee said:
Removed by the holy spirit. Praise God
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The simple historical fact is that the seven Deuterocanonical books were in the "Bible" used and quoted by Jesus Christ, the apostles, and the early Christian Church (that is, the Septuagint). Why, then, would the Holy Spirit supposedly "remove" them? Post your proof now.

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Cruciform said:
The simple historical fact is that the seven Deuterocanonical books were in the "Bible" used and quoted by Jesus Christ, the apostles, and the early Christian Church (that is, the Septuagint). Why, then, would the Holy Spirit supposedly "remove" them? Post your proof now.

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Jesus nor any prophet or Apostle ever QUOTED FROM ANY Deuterocanonical BOOK. Nice lie but no sale.
 
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