HisServant
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Then police don't need guns either... so disarm them.
The Heroic Gunslinger Fantasy
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Then police don't need guns either... so disarm them.
You reason like a politician.
PureX
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So, basically, you hate politicians more than you care about the thousands of lives lost every year to uncontrolled gun violence. It means more to you to deny politicians the ability to tell you what to do than it does to try and end the climbing death toll because we do nothing.
It's sad that you can't see how pathetic that is.
The idea that prudence and safety could be paramount is straightforward. That it seems to offend some gun owners here is simply baffling.
This is literally a matter of life and death. It's not too much to ask gun owners--who voluntarily make themselves such--to prove basic competency, prudence, good judgment, and sound decision making.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
now, as for "Guns save lives only rarely", tell us - how was the shooter at Umpqua stopped?
You are comparing apples and oranges. My comment was limited specifically to guns. You replied with a long list of possible causes of accidental deaths. Try again.
HisServant
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The current crop of politicians are the cause of all those deaths.. imnsho.
What planet are you living on?
HisServant
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Reality... I'm not impaired by cognitive dissonance like you are.
Their regulation of schools, parenting and the economy are the root cause of people going over the edge and resorting to violence.
Standard police equivalency for private citizens
Standard police equivalency for private citizens
I know how J. Pete Blair acquired his training and subsequent ideas on police tactics, ‘Police Systems and Practices’; most of this was being put into practice during the early 1990s, in Texas, by a group of tactical firearms trainers, as well, FBI trainers in weapons and investigation, a behavioural science specialist, and forensic psychologists.
Blair’s teaching and training is based on earlier work, as well, studies, which, in turn, were based on the training practices of an elite police shooting team, where some took to training officers in firearms use.
The training, which went far beyond any other training in firearms use and was far superior to any training provided by the military, to personal inductees, and when available, was limited to special forces, and tactical shooters and snipers.
Given that such military personal has specialized training available, and it’s development came from military groups, the group in Texas took the training much further; they also tailored it to police use (domestic populations) where police detectives were made available extensive tactical weapons training, which was passed down, as less intensive training for police personal who were assigned to dangerous duty.
Compared to the standard inductee military training, the Texas police training program was much more, in terms of firearms use, knowing how to use, and detecting when to use weapons, proficient. This was the less intensive program, which was ( maybe still is) available on weekends (Saturday) eight hour training sessions, lasting six weeks.
The military, army and navy, uses far less time and expense to train in firearms tactics. Further proficiency is learned by experience, yet often this experience creates its own problems.
There are groups of tactical weapons experts in the military; however, the training is not tailored for domestic use; the best possible weapon training for police and private individuals would be similar to what was developed in the state of Texas, and modified to what may be now the standard training programme used by various police departments in many states. This would be the instruction provided, as a result of training procedures developed in Texas.
The costs of private training towards an equivalent training programme would be prohibitive for most laypersons. What is feasible and more readily acceptable, would be a basic firearms safety and use training, which might be standardized and implemented for all those who choose to carry concealed weapons.
Standard police equivalency for private citizens
I know how J. Pete Blair acquired his training and subsequent ideas on police tactics, ‘Police Systems and Practices’; most of this was being put into practice during the early 1990s, in Texas, by a group of tactical firearms trainers, as well, FBI trainers in weapons and investigation, a behavioural science specialist, and forensic psychologists.
Blair’s teaching and training is based on earlier work, as well, studies, which, in turn, were based on the training practices of an elite police shooting team, where some took to training officers in firearms use.
The training, which went far beyond any other training in firearms use and was far superior to any training provided by the military, to personal inductees, and when available, was limited to special forces, and tactical shooters and snipers.
Given that such military personal has specialized training available, and it’s development came from military groups, the group in Texas took the training much further; they also tailored it to police use (domestic populations) where police detectives were made available extensive tactical weapons training, which was passed down, as less intensive training for police personal who were assigned to dangerous duty.
Compared to the standard inductee military training, the Texas police training program was much more, in terms of firearms use, knowing how to use, and detecting when to use weapons, proficient. This was the less intensive program, which was ( maybe still is) available on weekends (Saturday) eight hour training sessions, lasting six weeks.
The military, army and navy, uses far less time and expense to train in firearms tactics. Further proficiency is learned by experience, yet often this experience creates its own problems.
There are groups of tactical weapons experts in the military; however, the training is not tailored for domestic use; the best possible weapon training for police and private individuals would be similar to what was developed in the state of Texas, and modified to what may be now the standard training programme used by various police departments in many states. This would be the instruction provided, as a result of training procedures developed in Texas.
The costs of private training towards an equivalent training programme would be prohibitive for most laypersons. What is feasible and more readily acceptable, would be a basic firearms safety and use training, which might be standardized and implemented for all those who choose to carry concealed weapons.
It is because of politicians like you that fail to take any sort of action at all. As I said, you are part of the problem and you admit as much when you blame politicians Mr. Borough CouncilPresident.
That is easily one of the stupidest things I've heard post Roseburg. And there's been some serious competition.
HisServant
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There is only so much action that you are allowed under the law.... Federal, State and County laws are designed to hand cuff local politicians into being good little sheep when it comes to enacting anything meaningful.
Then there is the problem of litigation.. most local municipalities just cannot afford to deal with litigation issues (we cannot print money like the fed can).
Then we are limited on how much we can raise taxes.. and if we do raise them too much, we get voted out.
For me, its a matter of finding volunteers to do stuff instead of contracting out every time a faucet leaks, the streets need swept, the park needs weeded, etc.
All our council is volunteer and there are no percs... we do it for public service. There is no retirement, no salary... the most I have ever taken from tax payers is being reimbursed for a $7.50 toilet valve for borough hall, which I installed myself.
What are you doing for your municipality... just wining about it on the internet or actually getting involved?
And as soon as someone steps up and wants my job and the rest of council thinks he/she can do better, I'll step aside.
Heck, I have a full time job, help habitat for humanity, volunteer for the borough and go to lodge.... which is 3x more than anyone else I know of... and I do none of it for recognition or reward. I just hope I motivate people to get off their butts and quit watching TV and do something meaningful with their lives.
Which brings me back to the key point - how much training should a person who pulls a firearm in public have? Are we comfortable wit the level of training and qualification currently in place, which is about none? In my mind, if somebody pulls a gun I think it should be incumbent upon them, regardless of cost, to be qualified and mentally stable enough to know exactly what they are doing.
:think: Yeah, Didn't most of Blair's innovation revolve around the response to active shooters though (which admittedly had to change after the fiasco which was Columbine)...I could be wrong I didn't read his book (Did he have more than one?). I have to admit that I haven't paid much attention to him because of this.
I'm a big Jim Cirrillo fan though...The stuff I learned from his program back in the late 80's is still the basis for my drills.
The primary qualification lately seems to be the movie they have playing in their head.
HisServant
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Really?... we have developed a society and economy where there are significant financial barriers to success. I talk about it with my son and grand son all the time about whether or not going into significant financial debt is the wisest career path for young people these days.
I also see the entitlement behavior in young people these days... there is no respect for the judicial system by young people. Go sit in a court room one day and watch first time offenders and their disrespectful attitudes get them put in county for contempt.
When you put young people in a position of no hope and life long servitude to the banks, you breed desperation, and desparation breeds different behavior in people, be it drug use, heavy drinking, joining 'empowering' groups like motorcycle gangs or neo-nazi's or the clan... and in some instances it breeds violence.
If you give people something meaningful to do to bolster their self worth they are less likely to commit acts of desperation.
HisServant
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Well we feel that same way about one another then.... every time I read one of your posts, I think you cannot get any more stupid, and I am proven wrong again and again.
You're an Eagles fan. I set the bar pretty low on you a while ago, pal.:chuckle: