achduke
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The Gentiles were told to first stop doing the most heinous sins that they were committing at that time. These Gentiles were starting to attend synagogue and would hear the rest of the Torah and laws at synagogue.
Swine Sausage - Sin?
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The Gentiles were told to first stop doing the most heinous sins that they were committing at that time. These Gentiles were starting to attend synagogue and would hear the rest of the Torah and laws at synagogue.
iouae
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Achduke - I am not sure whether these new Corinthian Christians attended at the synagogue, or in their living rooms churches. If they were uncircumcised, would they have been allowed into synagogue?
But do you, from reading the NT believe they were encouraged to keep all 613 OT commands, many of which applied to the sanctuary? We are not even taught these 613 in any church I know of today. What do you mean by "rest of the Torah and laws"?
achduke
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Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
The Gentiles who are now circumcised in the heart that attended synagogue would have heard the weekly Torah that the Jews would have preached.
Many Hebraic teachers do teach the commandments. Not all of the 613 commandments apply to everyone. Some are for Priests, Others are gender specific. Many of them will not even apply since there is no sacrifices nor a physical temple. Christ gave at least 70 commandments. It any case you cannot completely follow the commandments without the Holy Spirit.
genuineoriginal
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Most denominations do not even teach the 10 commandments.
genuineoriginal
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Genesis 25:34 34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright. |
"Lentils are legumes along with other types of beans"
1Mind1Spirit
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God's breath is also in the waters.
Romans 8:36 KJV
36 As it is written , For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
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False Prophet
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The ten commandments ended with the new covenant at the cross. X-tian sects that forbid the eating of pork or prophets like Joseph Bates told us we have to keep the Sabbath have departed unto fables.
When you were dead [k]in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Col 2
When you were dead [k]in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Col 2
Ben Masada
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Swine Sausage - Sin?
Parting from the principle that sin is a transgression of the law, to eat anything from the swine is forbidden by a Jewish law. Therefore, only to the Jews it is a sin; a minor sin though but still a sin. (Lev. 11:7,8)
Parting from the principle that sin is a transgression of the law, to eat anything from the swine is forbidden by a Jewish law. Therefore, only to the Jews it is a sin; a minor sin though but still a sin. (Lev. 11:7,8)
Ben Masada
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Swine Sausage - Sin?
Who has decided that the death of Jesus on the cross meant the cancelation of the Law when he declared loud and clear that he had not come to abolish the Law? (Mat. 5:17-19) BTW, Paul in Ephes. 2:15 says that the Law was abolished all the same. Hence, Jesus had been the end of the Law. (Rom. 10:4) Why would Paul contradict Jesus so openly? Could this be an explanation of 2 John 2:18,19 that the antichrists would come out of the ranks of Christianity itself?
Who has decided that the death of Jesus on the cross meant the cancelation of the Law when he declared loud and clear that he had not come to abolish the Law? (Mat. 5:17-19) BTW, Paul in Ephes. 2:15 says that the Law was abolished all the same. Hence, Jesus had been the end of the Law. (Rom. 10:4) Why would Paul contradict Jesus so openly? Could this be an explanation of 2 John 2:18,19 that the antichrists would come out of the ranks of Christianity itself?
It is a schoolmaster that reveals the need for a savior.
WonderfulLordJesus
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Not intending to disturb the continuity in such important issues of the day, but something comes to mind.
For any Jew or those of you who haven't gotten to Paul's letters yet, is turkey sausage a sin? You don't have any pork in it, but doesn't it seem that making something to be like the unclean thing, as closely as possible, is quite suspect? For instance, would a statue of Baal, made from modern composite materials, be alright to bow down to? I was also thinking how I've known Adventists that love veggie burgers and could not quite figure out how meat is evil while, at the same time, they wanting to eat something as much like meat as possible.
Also, as to the idea of minor sin, was the partaking of Adam and Eve of the forbidden fruit a minor sin, then? (Seems that little snack had some real impact, moving forward, no?) If minor, how many sausage links are the equivalent of a lie, or an act of theft? Ten, twenty? Is murder a whole ham hock?
Sorry. Maybe I'm always just trying to figure out what people are even talking about around here, in terms of theology.
For any Jew or those of you who haven't gotten to Paul's letters yet, is turkey sausage a sin? You don't have any pork in it, but doesn't it seem that making something to be like the unclean thing, as closely as possible, is quite suspect? For instance, would a statue of Baal, made from modern composite materials, be alright to bow down to? I was also thinking how I've known Adventists that love veggie burgers and could not quite figure out how meat is evil while, at the same time, they wanting to eat something as much like meat as possible.
Also, as to the idea of minor sin, was the partaking of Adam and Eve of the forbidden fruit a minor sin, then? (Seems that little snack had some real impact, moving forward, no?) If minor, how many sausage links are the equivalent of a lie, or an act of theft? Ten, twenty? Is murder a whole ham hock?
Sorry. Maybe I'm always just trying to figure out what people are even talking about around here, in terms of theology.
Ben Masada
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Swine Sausage - Sin?
No, turkey sausage is not unclean in itself. Therefore, not a sin to eat of it.
No, turkey sausage is not unclean in itself. Therefore, not a sin to eat of it.
genuineoriginal
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Do you often teach people to murder, steal, commit adultery, covet, and commit perjury?
genuineoriginal
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Many people that claim to be Christians have never learned the lessons of the schoolmaster.
You are putting words in the mouth of Paul by twisting the meanings of his words. Ephesians 2:15 speaks of ordinances which kept Gentiles out by a "wall of separation" and the tearing down of that wall in the doctrines of the body-temple of Messiah, (not the abolishing of the whole Law). The reason you do not fully understand this, like most, is because you do not fully understand the concepts concerning the body temple of a man. By the Testimony of Yeshua, the Prophets, and the Torah, every man has an house, (which is no more our own when we come to Messiah) and you now have both inner and outer courts, the most holy, the secondary holy place, and the outer bounds-profane-commons, (the flesh, Romans 7:14-25). As for Romans 10:4 it employs "telos" which means "the point aimed at" and is not the same as eschatos:
Romans 10:4
4. For Messiah is the telos-point aimed at of the law for righteousness to every one that believes.
Your version of telos would corrupt the meanings of other important statements. Luke, being a companion of Paul, employs telos in a similar way in the following statement:
Luke 22:37
37. For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, "And he was reckoned among the transgressors", for the things concerning me have an telos-end.
You have apparently bitten into modern Pauline Christian doctrine hook, line, and sinker, (apparently so that you can justify rejecting Paul). The above cannot mean "end" as in "abolished" or "done away with" because Messiah was raised from the dead and lives evermore as Kohen Gadol. Your understanding of the word therefore causes contradictions and is not in agreement with how it is employed by either Yeshua or Paul.
There is no sin in eating a ground turkey patty seasoned with sage.
I also sprinkle cayenne on my turkey patties.
iouae
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I will admit to confusion as to which OT commands to keep.
The best way I have resolved this for myself is to keep the ones which Christ definitely kept. I do this because where I feel confused about "the word" (meaning the Bible), I just have to look at "the Word" or Jesus as a living interpretation of that word.
For instance, I don't see Jesus sacrificing any animal, and so I don't.
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