First, your "speeding ticket" theory is hardly applicable. It seems that you are trying very hard to invent a reason why we shouldn't believe what the passage tells us plainly. Are those ordinances against us done away with, or not? It does not say "in part" or give any other qualifier
Not so fast there buddy! Speeding ticket for you haha... Here is a real life application on a live state web to that definition:
“If you receive a city or town ordinance or bylaw violation ticket, you have 21 days to pay it. Otherwise, you need to request a hearing within 21 days. Fines can be up to $300, and vary depending on the ordinance or bylaw.
The procedure for paying a fine varies depending on whether or not the town who issued the ticket has adopted G.L. c. 40U, which allows cities and towns more control over enforcing penalties, particularly for violations of ordinances or bylaws about sanitation, housing, and snow and ice removal.”
So you can readily see that the ordinance is only a small part of the over all state law...locally enforced and specifically applied.
So back to your questioning...
so by its very definition the ordinance is exactly only PART of the Law...the part that is activated by a violation of a zone or lesser law even...to a or of a LESSER governmental body...such as a town municipality etc.
So it is a lesser violation to a lesser law of a lesser governmental body...
I mean imagine the federal government sentencing you to death for a town noise violation...abuse yes?
So back to that text so horribly tortured by yours to argue the SUPREME LAW of Yah is abolished...
Col 2:14 as already discussed this handwritten ordinance or requirement or debt or decree or charges...(look up the various translations yourself) is indeed blotted out and entirely...done away with...nailed to the cross
But in no way is the entirety of the ETERNAL LAW removed or as I and others here at TOL and elsewhere assert if it were abolished then HOW WOULD WE KNOW SIN AND OUR NEED OF HIM HIS SALVATION?
And again, as I have so often repeated, Christians normally do NOT claim they are free to steal and kill and lie etc because the Law is done away with...in fact WWJD?! is their mantra...however when I bring up the seventh day Sabbath it all falls apart and suddenly it’s “the law is abolished...we are under grace.“ LOL
We are plainly told that the laws against us are nailed to the cross and the law of commandments is abolished,
Please show me which translation says that:
New International Version
having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.
New Living Translation
He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross.
English Standard Version
by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
Berean Study Bible
having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross!
Berean Literal Bible
having blotted out the handwriting in the decrees against us, which was adverse to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
New American Standard Bible
having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
King James Bible
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Christian Standard Bible
He erased the certificate of debt, with its obligations, that was against us and opposed to us, and has taken it away by nailing it to the cross.
Contemporary English Version
God wiped out the
charges that were against us for disobeying the Law of Moses. He took them away and nailed them to the cross.
Good News Translation
he canceled the unfavorable record of our debts with its binding rules and did away with it completely by nailing it to the cross.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
He erased the certificate of debt, with its obligations, that was against us and opposed to us, and has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the cross.
International Standard Version
having erased the charges that were brought against us, along with their obligations that were hostile to us. He took those charges away when he nailed them to the cross.
NET Bible
He has destroyed what was against us, a certificate of indebtedness expressed in decrees opposed to us. He has taken it away by nailing it to the cross.
New Heart English Bible
wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us; and he has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross;
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And he has blotted out by his authority the bill of our debts which was adverse to us and he took it from the midst and nailed it to his cross.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
He did this by erasing the charges that were brought against us by the written laws God had established. He took the charges away by nailing them to the cross.
New American Standard 1977
having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Jubilee Bible 2000
blotting out the bill of the decrees that was against us, which was contrary to us and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross {Gr. stauro – stake},
King James 2000 Bible
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
American King James Version
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
American Standard Version
having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out that way, nailing it to the cross;
Douay-Rheims Bible
Blotting out the handwriting of the decree that was against us, which was contrary to us. And he hath taken the same out of the way, fastening it to the cross:
Darby Bible Translation
having effaced the handwriting in ordinances which [stood out] against us, which was contrary to us, he has taken it also out of the way, having nailed it to the cross;
English Revised Version
having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross;
Webster's Bible Translation
Blotting out the hand-writing of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Weymouth New Testament
The bond, with its requirements, which was in force against us and was hostile to us, He cancelled, and cleared it out of the way, nailing it to His Cross.
World English Bible
wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us; and he has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross;
Young's Literal Translation
having blotted out the handwriting in the ordinances that is against us, that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross;”
So did you find one that said the Law was abolished? Btw Typically the L in law is capitalized when referring to the LAW the 10 big ones
So did you see it?...where does it say what you want it to say ”the Law was abolished”?...what Christendom has false witnessed about for thousands of years?
that we are not to be judged after meats or sabbath days, or even to judge for or against one another for those that honor specific days.
asked and answered...we are not to be judged for keeping them as non believing jews would not care if believers were NOT keeping them...duh...
We are told that we are given a new covenant in new blood, and that in that it is new it does away with the old.
yes and that new covenant was taught and modeled by the testator Himself as His last will and testament and then He died signing it with His blood and sealing it with his death...you are NOT allowed by law to change last wills and testaments...so...why all the changes?
So your argument as I understand it contains two parts. The first requires that all passages expressly telling us that the old covenant is obsolete and those laws and ordinances have been done away with must be ignored or explained away.
DONE...the Law remains the tickets are paid for...if the Law was done away with then nobody post DBR would be ticketed...duh
The second part is to demand an argument from silence. That is, you must insist that "The Fourth Commandment" was commanded of Adam and all his posterity, and this is an argument from silence, since scripture has no record of such a covenant.
it is enough He modeled it and we are created to be in His image...as even secular couples who love each other do the same thing together
So what fuels this assumption? Why of course, the Sabbath must be so valuable and worshiped that how could it have ever been any other way?
it remains holy and sanctified and a memorial and a sign of His people...and remains for His people Heb 4:9
If you understood the law you would not be arguing that the source for "do not be angry with your brother" was not from the Old Covenant or the Ten Commandments.
wasn’t arguing that but you are right it is in the OT...Yahushua was teaching the spiritual inner man about it all...not just external actions but an inner transformed circumcised heart...the goal of the as demonstrated by Him hence He is the goal of the Law...
Covenants are not changeable things. They are "written in stone" and the terms are not rearranged on whim.
and yet all of the 10 laws are rearranged into the new...and others besides
The entire law of Moses is part of the old covenant that is of no more effect. Not 1/10th or 9/10th or 4/10th.
right and the new covenant has all 10 as He taught and demonstrated...then was killed for the demonstration but sealing that new covenant around the same laws now written in hearts and minds and led by the Holy Spirit into keeping...
I get the impression that you have been so focused on trying to argue for Sabbath Keeping come Hell or High Water that you haven't heard the New Covenant. Perhaps you could ask some questions?
Ok...so how come you only wish to keep 9 of the 10 laws?
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