Rebuttal of the dreadful doctrine of reprobation
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Have you seen NIG say anything to the contrary?
(Go ask your friends so they can tell you what to say.)
Nang
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No problem.
Since you are a newbie, maybe EW's friends will tell her .....
"This kind of rudeness is no way to deal with new members and it sure does TOL no good."
This is fun.
Nang
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Link please: To NIG confessing the Nicene Creed . . .
You liked EW calling me Arian, which would mean I don't believe Jesus is God.
It would mean I don't recognize He, the Spirit and Jesus as One
It would mean I didn't believe Jesus is the Eternal YHWH
This is as far from the truth as one can get.
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You speak of 'complicating the gospel', but you are 'over simplifying' it.
At that, there is nothing complicated about Calvinism. Are there many complexities to predestination? Sure- free will vs predestination has been a subject of debate among theologians and philosophers alike since ancient Rome.
But Calvinism is a lot like Catholicism in a sense- despite that is the core of Protestantism, the main thing they both have in common is the concept of God's Providence within the Body of Christ.
The elect are brought into it, and those who are not are either expelled or flee from it.
When you take away sovereign election, you make it about God saving us from His own wrath- which is a bad error a lot of churches have come to teach. With sovereign election, you see that the elect were protected from the beginning in their faith and the Crucifixion, most importantly, separated the wicked from the righteous.
You see, the cross is a dividing sword.
This is what a lot of contemporary Christians are rejecting- they are turning the faith into rank humanitarianism and passivity.
1559
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Don't need a confession to a creed.
If NIG has never said that the Son is created, then it was false to say he/she did.
Are you "the friend" that told EW that NIG thinks the Son was created????
Shame shame shame if you did.
Nang
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Do you believe Jesus Christ is God?
I cannot comprehend what your beliefs are, by negative statements. Don't go on about what you do NOT believe, but make it clear as to what you DO believe, please.
Nang
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Nope, to be honest I am just today joining this thread . . .
Does NIG think the Son was created?
Rebuttal of the dreadful doctrine of reprobation
This is 1558.
Please read it and tell me what you get from it.
EW,
I answer you sister, (didn't know and mistakenly called them brother... For this I apologize)
I confess that the very Spirit that created all, created humanity as His cherished bride and crowned her with free will, because He is not of tyranny, is He of the Triune.
I confess that His Bride rebelled as one of His High elected Angels encouraged that rebellion.
I confess that He had already omnipotently evoked a plan as seen in the Protoevangelium.
I confess that He showed His plan through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon and alas.......
The Groom (Spirit) spiritually became One with His cherished bride (humanity) through Mary.
Mary was The Expression of the womb of He, that always was and always will be, in flesh.
Creation and Father One, to bare the Cherished Son.
I confess that He walked amongst us the finite expression of Our eternal infinite Elohim.
(I'm adding... Finite as in bound to time or creation by election to express Himself in Flesh, Yet the Eternal Spirit in His Soul of the Eternal Father that is Beyond Creation and time, in case I confuse any with the word finite)
I confess that He and the Father were One.
I confess that the Son of Man and Son of God was Y-H-W-H with us.
I confess that He Is the Spiritual Rock that Moses Struck in response to the Cries of Israel for water.
I confess that He revealed the true purpose of the Law.
I confess He commanded that we Love ALL as He Loves us.
I confess that the rulers and authorities tried Him and He failed not once.
I confess that He was crucified Under the Law, though He transgressed it never.
I confess that He freed the captives of Sheol and was exonerated before His accuser in Spiritual form, for He cried.... Father, into thy hands I commend my Spirit.
I confess He rose on the third day and thus displayed that the powers errored by having Him Crucified.
I confess that I believe on Him and He is my propitiation.
I confess that He reigns with all Authority and Power.
I confess that His Theological Revilation is my Theological Light.
I confess that He is the Spirit I have Been blessed with, by his death and resurrection.
I confess Him King of Kings, Lord of Lords.
Holy, Holy, Holy!!!!!
He alone is worthy to be praised.
I Confess Christ the Right Hand of YHWH.
I confess Him YHWH.
I confess the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit I was baptized under to be: Yahushua in Hebrew, Shortened to Jesus by transliteration of the Greek enunciation, and thus known as Yeshua to the Jews.
I confess Yeshua Bar Yoseph to also be Yeshua Bar YHWH
I confess Him fully YHWH.
I confess Father, Son and Spirit one.
Ice, Water and Vapor....
All of the same singular eternal Spring of Life.
He is the Water.
He is the Bread.
He is the Rock.
Signature: "If I've offended you, that's me getting in the way of Jesus. If you search the Scriptures open to only the guidance of God's Spirit to Theologically level me..... I've succeeded."
Signature: "If I've offended you, that's me getting in the way of Jesus. If you search the Scriptures open to only the guidance of God's Spirit to Theologically level me..... I've succeeded."
This is 1558.
Please read it and tell me what you get from it.
EW,
I answer you sister, (didn't know and mistakenly called them brother... For this I apologize)
I confess that the very Spirit that created all, created humanity as His cherished bride and crowned her with free will, because He is not of tyranny, is He of the Triune.
I confess that His Bride rebelled as one of His High elected Angels encouraged that rebellion.
I confess that He had already omnipotently evoked a plan as seen in the Protoevangelium.
I confess that He showed His plan through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon and alas.......
The Groom (Spirit) spiritually became One with His cherished bride (humanity) through Mary.
Mary was The Expression of the womb of He, that always was and always will be, in flesh.
Creation and Father One, to bare the Cherished Son.
I confess that He walked amongst us the finite expression of Our eternal infinite Elohim.
(I'm adding... Finite as in bound to time or creation by election to express Himself in Flesh, Yet the Eternal Spirit in His Soul of the Eternal Father that is Beyond Creation and time, in case I confuse any with the word finite)
I confess that He and the Father were One.
I confess that the Son of Man and Son of God was Y-H-W-H with us.
I confess that He Is the Spiritual Rock that Moses Struck in response to the Cries of Israel for water.
I confess that He revealed the true purpose of the Law.
I confess He commanded that we Love ALL as He Loves us.
I confess that the rulers and authorities tried Him and He failed not once.
I confess that He was crucified Under the Law, though He transgressed it never.
I confess that He freed the captives of Sheol and was exonerated before His accuser in Spiritual form, for He cried.... Father, into thy hands I commend my Spirit.
I confess He rose on the third day and thus displayed that the powers errored by having Him Crucified.
I confess that I believe on Him and He is my propitiation.
I confess that He reigns with all Authority and Power.
I confess that His Theological Revilation is my Theological Light.
I confess that He is the Spirit I have Been blessed with, by his death and resurrection.
I confess Him King of Kings, Lord of Lords.
Holy, Holy, Holy!!!!!
He alone is worthy to be praised.
I Confess Christ the Right Hand of YHWH.
I confess Him YHWH.
I confess the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit I was baptized under to be: Yahushua in Hebrew, Shortened to Jesus by transliteration of the Greek enunciation, and thus known as Yeshua to the Jews.
I confess Yeshua Bar Yoseph to also be Yeshua Bar YHWH
I confess Him fully YHWH.
I confess Father, Son and Spirit one.
Ice, Water and Vapor....
All of the same singular eternal Spring of Life.
He is the Water.
He is the Bread.
He is the Rock.
Signature: "If I've offended you, that's me getting in the way of Jesus. If you search the Scriptures open to only the guidance of God's Spirit to Theologically level me..... I've succeeded."
Signature: "If I've offended you, that's me getting in the way of Jesus. If you search the Scriptures open to only the guidance of God's Spirit to Theologically level me..... I've succeeded."
I don't advocate lazy in witness and study. If I take the time to write it, I expect any who seek to debate to take the time read it, and research to fully understand it.
I offer the same respect in return, and seek to do so in all debate and discussion.
Signature: "If I've offended you, that's me getting in the way of Jesus. If you search the Scriptures open to only the guidance of God's Spirit to Theologically level me..... I've succeeded."
Nang
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Lazy Nang just researched and found that NIG is confessing the latter RCC Nicene Creed.
Is NIG a confessing Roman Catholic?
Nang
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Did that one say that the Son was created????
If not, then NIG has still not said that the Son was created.
You do understand what the gripe is, don't you?
It's not whether he/she is RCC, Baptist, Calvinist, etc......
The gripe is that EW thinks NIG thinks the Son was created.
WHAT/WHO made her think that?
It certainly wasn't NIG.
Rebuttal of the dreadful doctrine of reprobation
No Nang.
I'm trying to make peace with EW.
They couldn't understand the post I copied again for you, and instead of studying my words in scripture, simply asked a friend what it meant.
Whoever it was didn't read it, or doesn't know man made theological labels that well.
They called me Arian, and in turn EW called me false, rejected me as a believer in Christ and sibling in faith.
EW uses the Nician Creed, Which is posted by myself and she now.
I sought common ground by agreeing with the Nician creed, though I had answered the Trinity question head on and laboriously in 1558.
Quick recommendation to discern a true Arian.
Ask if Jesus is YHWH or to some JHVH.
They are forced to say no.
Signature: "If I've offended you, that's me getting in the way of Jesus. If you search the Scriptures open to only the guidance of God's Spirit to Theologically level me..... I've succeeded."
No Nang.
I'm trying to make peace with EW.
They couldn't understand the post I copied again for you, and instead of studying my words in scripture, simply asked a friend what it meant.
Whoever it was didn't read it, or doesn't know man made theological labels that well.
They called me Arian, and in turn EW called me false, rejected me as a believer in Christ and sibling in faith.
EW uses the Nician Creed, Which is posted by myself and she now.
I sought common ground by agreeing with the Nician creed, though I had answered the Trinity question head on and laboriously in 1558.
Quick recommendation to discern a true Arian.
Ask if Jesus is YHWH or to some JHVH.
They are forced to say no.
Signature: "If I've offended you, that's me getting in the way of Jesus. If you search the Scriptures open to only the guidance of God's Spirit to Theologically level me..... I've succeeded."