Oh my you are going to get a lot of points around here for that...your reward
Prove That Sunday Is The Christian Sabbath
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Oh my you are going to get a lot of points around here for that...your reward
We are to enter that rest just as Yah did...He rested a day after six days of work...He did NOT enter a promised land or state of constant cessation of work...
Jesus is not a week day...the seventh
“For Yah so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish shall have ETERNAL life”
Now anyone who believed in Him still died...and turned to dust...did He LIE? No the promise He made for eternal life did not make void the death of this temporal one...just like the promise of rest He gives does NOT cancel the temporal rest of the Sabbath...
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Again, you are putting a day at the throne with God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
The day was about Jesus.
It was a shadow of what was coming.
Jesus isn't a literal Rock, or a literal lamb, or a literal day.
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You are exposing what is in your heart and it is not good.
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The Pauline epistles are among the earliest written. It was after that.
You're not listening. You keep trying to change my argument back to 'Sunday replaced Saturday.' That is not my argument. Quit putting words in my mouth.
Sunday did not displace Saturday as a "new time of assembly." Sabbaths are not and never were ordained as times of assembly. Sabbaths were ordained for rest. Rest does not equal assembly. Can you process that?
You know, for a Sabbatarian, you really don't seem to understand what this whole Sabbath thing is about. :rotfl:
Points or no points what I told you is true. Beware the leaven of Herod, and the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of the Sadducees: for the kingdom of the heavens is like unto leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of flour until the whole lump was leavened, and you are the lump, O man. Herod is likened to the lion of gold, (and his wings were plucked just before he died, lol, it is in Josephus), and the Pharisees are likened to the bear, that is, two houses with one house raised up on one side, (the house of Hillel), and the Sadducees are like a leopard with four heads in their four divisions, (including the Lawyers and the Scribes). The fourth beast is a conglomeration of them all, which rose up from "the sea" of all the people of Israel, that is, the Sanhedrin: the beast whom you bow to in your interpretation of the Shabbat, even though you have been shown in many places how and why your interpretation of the Shabbat is faulty, including more recently how you were shown even in one of your own threads, which you did not even respond to. You are rejecting the Testimony of the Messiah in favor of the Sanhedrin rulings concerning what Shabbat is supposed to be: for the same reason the Yhudim sought to kill the Messiah and finally succeeded.
John 5:16-18a
16 And for this cause the Yhudim pursued Yeshua, because he did these things in the Shabbat.
17 But he answered them, MY FATHER HAS BEEN WORKING EVEN UNTIL RIGHT NOW, AND I ALSO WORK!
18a For this cause therefore the Yhudim sought all the more to kill him:
Can you not understand what the statement from Joh5:17 means? The Shabbat Rest of Creation was not even yet fulfilled: for all the Prophets and the Torah prophesied until Yohanan, (Mat11:13). The Son of Man is indeed the Master of the Shabbat: but you do not understand what he teaches about the Shabbat in the Gospel accounts, and this I know because you continually ignore his Testimony when it is presented to you, as has been done many times elsewhere.
Greetings again clefty,
Hebrews 4:8-10 (KJV): 8 For if Jesus (or Joshua) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest (a Sabbath rest) to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
This is not talking of the need for them to keep the weekly Sabbath, but of the need to enter into the true Rest, a one-off event, when we come unto Jesus.
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Trevor
I looked at your two articles, but I suggest that Hebrew 3 and 4 as a composite whole consider the subject of Rest and the Sabbath and are teaching that the True Rest, the True Sabbath is in Christ. Yes God created for six days and then ceased or rested, and this was remembered by means of the weekly Sabbath. But this weekly Sabbath pointed forward to the True Rest in Christ. Hebrews 3 speaks of Today as being the opportunity to believe, and to enter into the rest. It does not say wait to the Sabbath to have rest, but Today. This is a one off event, similar to the rest by God after the creation, which was a one- off event. When David spoke these words the nation was already keeping the 7-day Sabbath, but here is another invitation to enter into Rest. The believer in Christ has entered this state:
Hebrews 4:8-10 (KJV): 8 For if Jesus (or Joshua) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest (a Sabbath rest) to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
This is not talking of the need for them to keep the weekly Sabbath, but of the need to enter into the true Rest, a one-off event, when we come unto Jesus.
Kind regards
Trevor
not at all...does one do that with the commandment thou shalt not kill when reminding a brother not to kill? Or how about thou shalt not steal? Or lie...is not baring false witness elevating a command to the level of Yah? No not at all...it is what He asked of us to do...to abid in His love...and live...in this life and in the next...or do you think we can lie in the next?
Forums like this one will indeed NOT happen in the next life...
nope...about creation...and then salvation from egypt...and twice clearly stated that the law IS...NOT...WAS...but is present tense and binding...STILL
STILL
yup I agree...not a literal day of the week either...
What is still to come is good...from Sabbath to Sabbath all shall worship...as Isaiah affirms HIM saying...
ok any more specific please when God appointed the first day as day of assembly...thanks...just links are ok
fair enough then clarify yourself with why the day of rest no longer is customary but the day of assembly is...actually not even the whole day but just a few hours in the morning early afternoon...
It was exemplified many times that they assembled to worship and rest on that day ordained...Yahushua Himself assembled on that day and beyond the one He announced His ministry open for business...
what seems to you is indeed off...
Rest was instituted prior the fall...after which it became even more a necessary blessing...He being the goal not the end of our need of rest...He and the Father did not work to ENDthe Law but to its GOAL to reconcile us to Him through it...and its Sabbath...through HIM KEEPING THE LAW AND ITS SABBATH...He stole it back from the jews...healing non emergency cases on that day rather than any other merely to provoke the Leavened ones...
A one off event? So no need of future rest? You have yours now. Fair enough.
Consider my sandals dusted...
and thanks...
No, it was not, and that was explained in my thread where you wanted nothing to do with the topic and only wanted to enforce literal physical circumcision onto the scripture showing once again that you bow to the Sanhedrin beast and all fleshly and physical interpretations of a holy and spiritual Word of Elohim.
Greetings again clefty,
Hebrews 4:10 (KJV): For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
We rest in Christ NOW, waiting for the greater rest in the Kingdom. The present rest is not once a week. It commences when we come to Jesus.
Kind regards
Trevor
Yes, there is the future rest, but Hebrews 4:10 speaks of a one-off event. Notice in the following “hath ceased”:
Hebrews 4:10 (KJV): For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
We rest in Christ NOW, waiting for the greater rest in the Kingdom. The present rest is not once a week. It commences when we come to Jesus.
Kind regards
Trevor
You are fortunate I have two sandals...ha
Hath ceased from his own works...as Yah did from His...His day His rest from His works...His Day given for our rest from our works...and when this day of rest is over we continue to work...as He did in His...
Verse 11 “Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief”
All this was written to the Hebrews Jews living greek...who fully understand to enter THAT rest lest any of them fall into disobedience as their ancestors did making an example not to follow...but remain obedient to the law...labor and enter THAT rest and remain obedient and NOT like those in verse 4-6...
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The problem with your misunderstanding is that you fail to believe the scriptures that special days were about Jesus and now day are worthless.
There are no shadows in Christ.
Do not murder and special days are worthless are both things to believe and obey.
There is a new law. The new law is the old law with some changes.
Do you purify yourself to God? Do you get circumcised and adhere to the other purification works instead of only relying on the blood of Jesus?
Even “Do not murder”is worthless now?...oh my we are down to 8 of the 10 which means someone’s is lying...YOU...so that is 7 out 10 and if you do murder you steal worship and if you dont keep sabbath you steal worship so that makes it 6 out of 10...maybe you made a new idol as stubbornness is considered as idolatry ask Samuel... and worshipping falsely is also not good so that is 5 out of 10
Think I better stop...I appreciate you insist you obey and do works after claiming you wear His yoke you do yes? But you are choosing to do only about 50% of what His who wear His yoke do...doing AS HE DID...JUST AS in order to abide in His love as He did to abide in His Father’s love doing His will...which includes ALL 10 not just whatever you want...
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Murder is worthless and so is observing special days.
You are falsely accusing me, and you falsely judge the Apostle Paul who says special days are worthless when it comes to salvation.