You are Adam's son
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You are Adam's son
so adam is responsible for what I do?
You do the same
your vagueness does not hide your confusion
I am responsible for what I do
you are responsible for what you do
you can't avoid it
Not if God gave you freewill to do it.
God will hold me responsible for what I do with the free will He gave me
He holds people responsible for remaining in bondage when He has sent a Saviour to set us FREE.
IMJerusha
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Tottie, you can't have it both ways. You're either for the doctrine of the elect or you find it offensive which is what you have posted in the past. Man either has God's gift of choice (free will) or he doesn't. Which is it?
IMJerusha
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Don't you think that not having free will is bondage?
Mocking You
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You can put Christian Liberty in the Calvinist camp. Based on this post:
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3597966&postcount=439
You're welcome.
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3597966&postcount=439
You're welcome.
Not if you are in God's will...we are created to be in God's will
IMJerusha
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prove you have free will, stop sinning for a day
It's our sin that proves free will. Else, we would be doing the will of God in our sin and signify a house divided against itself.
Christians do not will to sin, their will is to be holy, so when we sin we are acting against our will, which you claim is free. It proves that our will is not free but in bondage.
Paul says before we came to God we were in bondage....Christ set us free
What part of bondage do you interpret as freewill? if we had freewill why would Christ need to die? His death and resurrection is what sets us free. To say you have freewill means you can choose to do righteousness and not sin....nobody who ever lived [bar One] ever did but still we kid ourselves, or rather we allow the devil to kid us.
Paul says we are either servant of righteousness or servants of sin.
What part of servant do you understand as freewill?
But to be servants of righteousness is our perfect freedom, for that is what we are created for. It is our true self.
IMJerusha
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Free will is about choice. If we don't have free will then why aren't we all out murdering, stealing, fornicating, etc? God said that the rules He gave us weren't too hard for us to obey so why didn't we obey them? Because we chose not to. Obedience and disobedience is a choice. If we have no free will, why do we require God's Grace and Mercy?
IMJerusha
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AMEN!!!
IMJerusha
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That's a warped interpretation of Paul's words in Romans 7 to suit a doctrine of convenience. I can certainly choose not to murder someone and I can certainly choose to believe in the One True God or He would not have ordered us to make that choice in Deuteronomy 30:19. What's the point of confession and repentance if we have no free will? What is the point of Yeshua's words in John 15 if we have no free will? Why should we bother to wash our robes if there is no free will? Why should we believe anything at all if we have no free will....what difference does it make? Without free will we're just a bunch of pre-programmed robots and that is EXACTLY what the doctrine of the elect states so I don't know why you have such an aversion to it.