thank you for that explanation
and
I now have a better understanding as to what the fuss is all about
See if you can see this too,
What was so great about Calvin was that he did not therefore foolishly dismiss Predestiny and Election as so many do...they are GLORIOUS doctrines...it is where the doctrine of eternal security comes from, OSAS, for the thing is predetermined, WE were chosen by God, we did not choose Him. [obviously whether others are saved or not, in order for us to be conformed to the image of God's Son we must first be saved]
OK
So what happens if we take the glorious doctrines OUT of the bible, pretend that they do not exist?
Then you have to find some other ground or reason as to why God would choose us.
Because we are good and saintly, we are obedient, because we chose Him. Our salvation and blessing now depends upon US and not God. This is where all these arguments come from...this is why we fight so fiercely.