Calvin is the Johnny come lately.....
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can you answer the question?
IMJerusha
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She did Chrys. Johnny come lately means that which came last. So Reformed came first and Calvinism came after. Calvinism is a subset of reformed theology.
I ain't neccesarily so.
Calvin certainly added ballast to the reformation vessel.
What do you want me to say?
I am Reformed but not Calvinist, though I do applaud and adhere to some Calvinistic doctrines.....I reject Limited Atonement and abhor Predestination unto sin and damnation....
Predestination unto blessing and election to the body of Christ I believe.
's' no such thing as Freewill
Predestination unto blessing and election to the body of Christ I believe.
's' no such thing as Freewill
IMJerusha
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Say what????!!!!:jawdrop:
IMJerusha
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Oh yes, there is, by God's own Word! Deuteronomy 30:19-20
That you have no desire to acknowledge it in your doctrine is not God's problem.
If we dismiss free will, we dismiss God's Covenant, Yeshua.
so does that mean some are automatically saved
but
no one is automatically damned?
IMJerusha
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Considering our faith?....yes. Why? Because it is a pagan belief. Now granted, there has been a lot of pagan influence on the faith but it's important to recognize it and purge it from the faith. Scripture states it's given to man to die only once and then the judgement. What makes you think we can be judged to a re-do? There's nothing in Scripture to even remotely indicate that.
And honestly, Chrys, why would you even want that considering the joy of being in the presence of God?
You know, there's nothing I'd like better than to rewind the clock and change a lot of my decisions but that's not going to happen. That's why it's so important for us to teach our children about the goodness inherent in a Godly life....a life with as little regret as possible.
Well this is the vital hinge, isn't it? this was the challenge put to Calvin by one of his students who asked.
If we believe that some are predestined unto salvation does this not mean that others are predestined to be damned?
It is not only Calvin who got it wrong...everyone who rejects predestination and election reject it because of the same implication.
The answer is
Predestiny and Election does not speak to salvation but "to be comformed to the image of the Son of God."
We are chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world for to be a people for the praise and glory of His grace.
It does not speak about anybody else's salvation but it speaks of the great blessing of belonging to God's church.
Paul uses Esau and Jacob to show predestiny and election, but to make it predestiny and election to salvation you have to say that Esau was therefore damned....I don't think you can show that.
Similarly if Abraham was predestined and elect unto salvation you have to say that Lot was damned...he very surely was not.
IMJerusha
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This does not dismiss free will, Tottie.
there are many passages that suggest reincarnation
I am only aware of a few
and
they are:
Matthew 24:14King James Version (KJV)
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Revelation 20:5King James Version (KJV)
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Matthew 24:34King James Version (KJV)
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
No, not for you...you had freewill before the founding of the world...yer a clever gal.
thank you for that explanation
and
I now have a better understanding as to what the fuss is all about