so here is the program
if
you wish to identify yourself
it helps to know where you coming from
are you mad?
are you a calvinist or reformed??
are they the same?
Chrys
Here is the verse that makes the difference obvious to me.
I'm posting it from the New American Standard Because I hope to show it can break up so easily with that version.
Acts 2:22-23
22 “Men of Israel, listen to these words:
Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know—
23
this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.
I am a Calvinist or Reformed because I see and believe
The Lord Jesus was delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God.
I guess others are not Calvinists because they can't figure out how
God and The Jewish people Peter is speaking to at that moment can both have a hand in this when God did not make them do wrong since obviously they must have had free will, right?
And also they are not excused just because it was according to God's plan for they feel shame and heart break as you can see if you keep reading.
And then there are the hands of godless men who really did physically put Him to death.
God did not make them do anything either and even though they did what an angry mob was asking for - not even that changes the fact they were the godless ones who did it.
So how do you do the verse Chrys?
How does the Sovereignty of God and free will work here?